Champions League 2016/17

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Who will win CL 16/17?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:03 am

Györi Audi ETO KC
22
27%
FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria
2
2%
HC Vardar
13
16%
Buducnost
12
15%
Larvik
1
1%
Rostov-Don
6
7%
CSM Bucuresti
22
27%
Somebody else
3
4%
 
Total votes: 81

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby gergő » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:13 pm

15.10 14.00 Esbjerg
Team Esbjerg - RK Krim Mercator
if TE wanna looking for something in the main group it will be a must for them.

14.10. 20.30 Skopje
HC Vardar - FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria
dunno how vardar works at the very moment, remember they always have problems with the season start, but the home side is the huge favourite, anything else may be a big surprise.

15.10 16.00* Astrakhan
Astrakhanochka - HC Leipzig
both sides are weakened. totally unpredictable.

15.10. 17.00 Podgorica
ZRK Buducnost - Metz Handball
ok lets continue someone else....

15.10 18.30 Larvik
Larvik - IK Sävehof
i have a feeling that it will be hardar than at first sight.

15.10 19.30 Győr
Győri Audi ETO KC - FC Midtjylland
lasty year fcm was eto's nemezis. but not this time.

16.10 14.00 Nordhausen
Thüringer HC - Glassverket
another unpredictable.

16.10 18.30 Bucharest
CSM Bucuresti - Rostov-Don
#MOTW (on paper). hope it will be. :) imho change rasmussen to vestergaard is a halfstep back. the russian squad is extremely deep. the pressure is on csm as a cl contender, the "revenge" maybe will help the visitors, the atmosphere aint "scary" there anyway.



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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby John » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:42 pm

Befire the prediction just a note: Dragana Cvijic is out for the GP, she will be back for the MR.

15.10 14.00 Esbjerg
Team Esbjerg - RK Krim Mercator
Really don't know, Esbjerg is just like any other danish team: unpredictable. They struggle against weak teams in danish league so for me they are not clear favorites. They can barely beat Krim, or trash them or lose, basically it depends on the day they have.

14.10. 20.30 Skopje
HC Vardar - FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria
Vardar is favorite here think they are better than FTC at least at home. With Indira as a coach on away match it can be the other way around.

15.10 16.00* Astrakhan
Astrakhanochka - HC Leipzig
A month ago i would say Leipzig, but now... Anything is possible.

15.10. 17.00 Podgorica
Buducnost - Metz Handball
Buducnost will win but i think it won't be that easy. Or it will. I don't know. :D


15.10 18.30 Larvik
Larvik - IK Sävehof
I have to see Larvik play first. Because for me they are not that strong and Savehof is an interesting team that can make a surprise.

15.10 19.30 Győr
Győri Audi ETO KC - FC Midtjylland
Gyor will dominate in this group. I actually predict 6 wins.


16.10 14.00 Nordhausen
THC - Glassverket
Better players, more experience, play at home.


16.10 18.30 Bucharest
CSM Bucuresti - Rostov-Don
IMO CSM made the biggest mistake, they let go of Rasmussen to bring Vestergaard. CSM wan't impressive in romanian league,Line is injured, so i give the role of favorites to Rostov the new champion :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But i will cheer for CSM.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby MAFAN » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:54 pm

My prediction for 1 round ;)

Buducnost-Metz 25-19
Thuringer-Glassverket 28-21
Vardar-FTC 29-22
Astrakhnachka -Leipzig 22-23
Gyori-Midtyjilland 27-23
CSM-Rostov 27-26
T.Esbjerg-Krim 27-19
Larvik-Savehof 32-27

My predicrion for F4 : Gyori,Rostov,Vardar,CSM

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby HB9 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:01 pm

Team Esbjerg - RK Krim Mercator
Really, Esbjerg must and will win this. Anything else is unacceptable.

HC Vardar - FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria
Vardar. FTC hasn't been too convincing lately.

Astrakhanochka - HC Leipzig
Most unpredictable game. I haven't got a clue either.

Buducnost - Metz Handball
Can't imagine them losing at home.

Larvik - IK Sävehof
Maybe more open than one might think, but Larvik will surge ahead for sure.

Győri Audi ETO KC - FC Midtjylland
Home team win.

THC - Glassverket
THC might be a 'tiny' team compared to many of the other CL-teams but in comparison with Glassverket they are bigger on the financial and player side. But if they play as awful as yesterday in the league, then they will struggle to finish higher than fourth in their CL group.

CSM Bucuresti - Rostov-Don
Just because. :-k

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Mixball » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:26 pm

Oh-boy here we go - 1'st round is always a hard one. :roll:
My guesses for this round:

Buducnost-Metz 29-19
Thuringer-Glassverket 26-23
HC Vardar- FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria 27-22
Astrakhnachka -HC Leipzig 25-21
Győri Audi ETO KC-FC Midtyjilland 26-18
CSM Bucuresti -Rostov Don 25-28
Team Esbjerg-RK Krim Mercator 25-24
Larvik-IK Sävehof 27-25
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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby catalin82 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:41 pm

GROUP 1
TEAM MATCHES GOALS DIFF PTS
T W D L
1. Rostov-Don 10 9 1 0 281 : 237 (44) 19
2. Larvik 10 6 0 4 281 : 263 (18) 12
3. FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria 10 5 2 3 282 : 272 (10) 12
4. HCM Baia Mare 10 5 0 5 259 : 247 (12) 10
5. Fleury Loiret Handball 10 2 2 6 252 : 283 (-31) 6
6. Thüringer HC 10 0 1 9 244 : 297 (-53) 1


GROUP 2
1. Buducnost 10 7 1 2 264 : 211 (53) 15
2. Györi Audi ETO KC 10 7 1 2 252 : 230 (22) 15
3. HC Vardar 10 7 0 3 270 : 246 (24) 14
4. CSM Bucuresti 10 4 1 5 242 : 239 (3) 9
5. FC Midtjylland 10 2 1 7 220 : 261 (-41) 5
6. IK Sävehof 10 1 0 9 225 : 286 (-61) 2

F4
1.CSM B.
2.Gyor
3.Vardar
4.Buducnost

So to predict right know the winner is a bit rash on it

Gyor/Vardar/Rostov/Buducnost could be as the last seasons - the F4 favorites...but still we have some games to watch 8:)

And also what is presented above teach us that important is to take your time to form a team and maybe you can manage to surprise us all .

This round i think that shouldn't have big surprises, even so every one of the big can make it back in 10 games...

CSM , for example, has the quality to surprise Rostov but i think that they lack that ''we can do it' spirit for now.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby NewFan » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:49 am

John wrote:Befire the prediction just a note: Dragana Cvijic is out for the GP, she will be back for the MR.

Who are they going to play at pivot? Suzanna or Ema or both?

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby bajkalb » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:01 pm

Buducnost-Metz; OK, no question, I think
Thuringer-Glassverket; Draw (?)
Vardar-FTC; I'm sure that FTC would be able to make surprise at this stage of the season; But as I read some interviews, I've got a feeling that they don't believe in it
Astrakhnachka -Leipzig
Gyor-Midtyjilland; Hope so
CSM-Rostov; OK, Rostov is definitely stronger, CSM is definitely weaker, tan last year. Let's predict a draw
T.Esbjerg-Krim; Quite sure
Larvik-Savehof

My predicrion for F4 :
Rostov; I'm almost sure of that; Now they have shooters, and Dembele and Vjakhireva, so they should make it now
Győr; Look at that backline, pivots and the extra-class defense of AM. It were a big disappointment to miss it.
Buducnost; weaker wings, but that's all; The extra tough defense remained tough, great shooters, plus Adzic, whose reputation has been a bit ruined in the OG, but I'm sure, they will be good.

The 4th spot is questionable. CSM and Vardar are the candidates and I've got a feeling that they will meet in the quarterfinal

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Gojira » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:48 pm

So it has started:

VARDAR SZKOPJE (macedón)–FTC-RAIL CARGO HUNGARIA 27–27 (17–14)
Szkopje, 2000 néző. V: Alpaidze, Berjozkina (oroszok)
VARDAR: Szuszlina – Radicsevics 4, LACRABERE 6 (1), Hmirova 2, Althaus 1, PENEZIC 8 (1), Herrem 4. Csere: Leynaud (kapus), Pessoa (kapus), Mavsar, Damnjanovics 1, Lazovic 1, Iljina, Covic, Risztovszka. Edző: Indira Kasztratovics
FERENCVÁROS: Szikora – Schatzl, Pena 6 (1), Szucsánszki 7 (1), Snelder 2, Kovacsics 7, Lukács 3. Csere: Bíró (kapus), Szarka, Szekeres, Monori 1, Faluvégi, Hornyák D. 1. Edző: Elek Gábor

http://www.nemzetisport.hu/kezilabda/noi-kezi-bl-vardar-szkopje-ferencvaros-eloben-az-nso-n-2530943

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby bajkalb » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:17 am

Gojira wrote:So it has started:

VARDAR SZKOPJE (macedón)–FTC-RAIL CARGO HUNGARIA 27–27 (17–14)
Szkopje, 2000 néző. V: Alpaidze, Berjozkina (oroszok)
VARDAR: Szuszlina – Radicsevics 4, LACRABERE 6 (1), Hmirova 2, Althaus 1, PENEZIC 8 (1), Herrem 4. Csere: Leynaud (kapus), Pessoa (kapus), Mavsar, Damnjanovics 1, Lazovic 1, Iljina, Covic, Risztovszka. Edző: Indira Kasztratovics
FERENCVÁROS: Szikora – Schatzl, Pena 6 (1), Szucsánszki 7 (1), Snelder 2, Kovacsics 7, Lukács 3. Csere: Bíró (kapus), Szarka, Szekeres, Monori 1, Faluvégi, Hornyák D. 1. Edző: Elek Gábor

http://www.nemzetisport.hu/kezilabda/noi-kezi-bl-vardar-szkopje-ferencvaros-eloben-az-nso-n-2530943



It was a great game with a very motivated and good FTC and a quite out of form Vardar. I'm sure that both of the teams will play much better later.

Btw., it's a joke that such a wealthy team like Vardar has a coach like Kastratovic and has some gaps in various positions.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby ZRK Vardar » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:49 pm

Vardar usually are slow starters in CL... We have no domestic competition so we need a few CL games to get going..

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby NewFan » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:15 pm

Buducnost 21 Metz 19

Kaca was the reason why we won that game. Best player on the floor for either team and it wasn't close. I was happy to see the young guns (I don't get to see much of them streaming from Canada); hope the vets are just resting and aren't hurt too bad. Here are my thoughts on some of the other players (I've been waiting all summer for this because the stupid CBC didn't show any of the Olympics group stage, so I didn't get to see Montenegro play. So yes, I am going to overanalyse this):

Kinga Achruk played well, she should be our starting playmaker. That no-look pass to Ema was sweet.

Milena is the worst actor; I have no idea why refs keep falling for it. Her offensive decision making was terrible again too. I miss EURO 2012 Milena :(

I'm excited about Zokebi de Paula. She made saves at important moments. She was what we needed last year, a goalie to come in when Marta (I forget her new last name) is slumping and needs to refocus (My analysis of Marta is that she's either awesome or terrible and in her terrible moments, she just needs somebody to come in and plug the hole so that she can refocus)

I'm too new to the game to know what Cvijic or Loke looked like when they were 20 years old and I imagine that pivot is a position that takes longer to develop into, but I just can't imagine Ema ever reaching that level. Hopefully Cvijic stays with Buducnost for the next 10 years.

Jaukovic looked better than last year. Last year, she was a bit awkward on both ends: on offence, when she wasn't scoring with that rocket she kind of killed the flow and on defence had too many desperation fouls after getting beat. Today she seemed much smoother on both ends

Malovic looks way more confident this year. Last year, every time she touched the floor she looked nervous. After all the hype for her on these forums, I'm excited to finally see what she can do this year.

Ujkic, Pavicevic, Grbic: I'm not smart enough to know how they did; didn't notice them too much in a good way or a bad way. Adzic teams (or maybe it's Milena teams) never seem to use their wings enough. Majda and Radmilla created so much through their defence and fast break, we're going to miss that.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby John » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:36 pm

Buducnost was awful, Bulatovic, Ramusovic and Zoqbi de Paula were great, the rest hmm, well Achruk not bad but not good either, Milena disaster, Jaukovic disaster, Malovic was ok, i can't talk about the wingers since they barely touched the ball.
We saw a new attacking tactics from Adzic and all i can say is, please go back to the old one hahahahahaha Maybe it's different with Neagu.

NewFan wrote:Malovic looks way more confident this year. Last year, every time she touched the floor she looked nervous. After all the hype for her on these forums, I'm excited to finally see what she can do this year.


Of course she looks more confident, she was injured for a year and a half, and last season she played with pain in her knee sp she was cautious.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby kibby » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:00 pm

Gheorghe Tadici wrote:And another big scorer, another young player on the right. http://www.eurohandball.com/ec/cl/women ... man-Fernis


Who just got her national debut for Sweden last week! :D

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Gojira » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:07 pm

kibby wrote:
Gheorghe Tadici wrote:And another big scorer, another young player on the right. http://www.eurohandball.com/ec/cl/women ... man-Fernis


Who just got her national debut for Sweden last week! :D

Well done =D>

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Nitro » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:16 am

Gojira wrote:So it has started:

VARDAR SZKOPJE (macedón)–FTC-RAIL CARGO HUNGARIA 27–27 (17–14)
Szkopje, 2000 néző. V: Alpaidze, Berjozkina (oroszok)
VARDAR: Szuszlina – Radicsevics 4, LACRABERE 6 (1), Hmirova 2, Althaus 1, PENEZIC 8 (1), Herrem 4. Csere: Leynaud (kapus), Pessoa (kapus), Mavsar, Damnjanovics 1, Lazovic 1, Iljina, Covic, Risztovszka. Edző: Indira Kasztratovics
FERENCVÁROS: Szikora – Schatzl, Pena 6 (1), Szucsánszki 7 (1), Snelder 2, Kovacsics 7, Lukács 3. Csere: Bíró (kapus), Szarka, Szekeres, Monori 1, Faluvégi, Hornyák D. 1. Edző: Elek Gábor

http://www.nemzetisport.hu/kezilabda/noi-kezi-bl-vardar-szkopje-ferencvaros-eloben-az-nso-n-2530943


Very good and entertaining game. I was surprised by FTC, theyre didnt look so stong in the NB I recently. But it seems Hungarian handball is just at a very high level. Vardar played very well in the first half but weakend in the 2nd. They need to improve their defense.
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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Nitro » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:26 am

NewFan wrote:Buducnost 21 Metz 19

Kaca was the reason why we won that game. Best player on the floor for either team and it wasn't close. I was happy to see the young guns (I don't get to see much of them streaming from Canada); hope the vets are just resting and aren't hurt too bad. Here are my thoughts on some of the other players (I've been waiting all summer for this because the stupid CBC didn't show any of the Olympics group stage, so I didn't get to see Montenegro play. So yes, I am going to overanalyse this):

Kinga Achruk played well, she should be our starting playmaker. That no-look pass to Ema was sweet.

Milena is the worst actor; I have no idea why refs keep falling for it. Her offensive decision making was terrible again too. I miss EURO 2012 Milena :(

I'm excited about Zokebi de Paula. She made saves at important moments. She was what we needed last year, a goalie to come in when Marta (I forget her new last name) is slumping and needs to refocus (My analysis of Marta is that she's either awesome or terrible and in her terrible moments, she just needs somebody to come in and plug the hole so that she can refocus)

I'm too new to the game to know what Cvijic or Loke looked like when they were 20 years old and I imagine that pivot is a position that takes longer to develop into, but I just can't imagine Ema ever reaching that level. Hopefully Cvijic stays with Buducnost for the next 10 years.

Jaukovic looked better than last year. Last year, she was a bit awkward on both ends: on offence, when she wasn't scoring with that rocket she kind of killed the flow and on defence had too many desperation fouls after getting beat. Today she seemed much smoother on both ends

Malovic looks way more confident this year. Last year, every time she touched the floor she looked nervous. After all the hype for her on these forums, I'm excited to finally see what she can do this year.

Ujkic, Pavicevic, Grbic: I'm not smart enough to know how they did; didn't notice them too much in a good way or a bad way. Adzic teams (or maybe it's Milena teams) never seem to use their wings enough. Majda and Radmilla created so much through their defence and fast break, we're going to miss that.


Metz played very strong like I expected. They lost with bad luck and looked like a real surprise team for this CL already. ;)
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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Nitro » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:40 am

Yes Larvik disappointed but I also want to mention that Savehof won with some help from the referees. They gave them a penalty everytime they were nearing Tofts goal.
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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby Gojira » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:22 pm

Nitro wrote:Yes Larvik disappointed but I also want to mention that Savehof won with some help from the referees. They gave them a penalty everytime they were nearing Tofts goal.

I don't agree. There were 1 or 2 lightly awarded penalties, but the vast majority were correct. Wojtas was standing continuously inside the area.

The cause of Larvik's defeat was IMHO that Gro got tired around the 40th minute. There were no ideas in their attacks after that time.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby John » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:37 pm

Nitro wrote: They lost with bad luck and looked like a real surprise team for this CL already.


No, they lost because they sucked, and sucked more than Buducnost. A serious team would've trashed Buducnost yesterday which only tells you that Metz is not strong enough.
Metz is interesting but they have a thin backline an if one player doesn't perform well it's a problem for them. Gros was invisible, Smits so so, Zaadi invisible. They need another back player, or two . But Metz's defense was good yesterday, Edwige is good in defense.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby ZRK Vardar » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:45 pm

Indira Kastratovic fired by ZRK Vardar http://zrkvardar.mk/

Dont know if she will sty in th club, gett a youthe jobb or something...

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby John » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:51 pm

Smart move, they should've done that ages ago. Who are the candidates for the position?

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby ZRK Vardar » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:19 pm

I know but is easeyer said than done.. She is a sport legend in Macedonia + very good friend with Tanja Medved and Dragana Naceva can just imagine how much tears today even if the decision is not theirs it is the owner...
Fantastic player but is not the same thing beeing player and coach. She prob gott a tip or two by Zoran Kastratovic but did not help...
Now the brutal decision has been made and it is a big relief to many and also sadness.. But the clubb can go forward now + I hope she gett a youthe jobb inside the clubb.
The new one ? no speculations so far but as soon I know I will inform you... For sure will be known who anytime soon.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby vardarfan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:59 pm

I can only say one big THANK YOU to our sport legend - INDIRA!
She was the one that brought all these famous handball stars in Skopje because no one (even for money) would come in unknown team. They believed to her plans and big ambitions of the club.
Tone Tiselj is rumored to be the new coach of Vardar.

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Re: Champions League 2016/17

Postby kibby » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:58 pm

Thüringer - Glassverket 24-16 (10-4):
Glassverket: Emilie Christensen 8, Birna Berg Haraldsdottir 4, Line Bjørnsen 2, June Andenæs 1, Marianne Iversen 1.


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