Players' naturalisation in women's handball

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby John » Tue May 30, 2017 5:53 pm

gergő wrote:the meeting with moustafa has taken place yesterday.
http://rss.org.rs/#vest:9331

for me it seems (using google translator) this problem didnt affect him so much.


This article is not related to this topic. It was a different meeting where they talked about handball in Serbia.



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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Faith » Tue May 30, 2017 6:10 pm

Wbk wrote:
Faith wrote:Szandra Zácsik, Mónika Kovacsicz, Viktória Oguntoye... they are all Hungarians they always were, born in Slovakia. Just like the youngsters at Győr Emma Hudák, Rita Lakatos... both born in Slovakia, but they are Hungarians. They have never played for Slovakia.

Just a fact-point: Correct statement, but with exception of Oguntoye who played for Slovakia at 2007 U17 ECh ;)


Oh, yes! I forgot it and now I remember that she was also training with the Slovak team 1 or 2 years ago, sorry, my bad, but I think you know what I mean.

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Postby swarthofole » Tue May 30, 2017 7:31 pm

and Triscsuk?
she also played for Russia if I am not wrong.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Faith » Tue May 30, 2017 7:50 pm

swarthofole wrote:and Triscsuk?
she also played for Russia if I am not wrong.


That's a different story, because she is not Hungarian, she is Russian. But the girls whom I have listed, their nationality is Hungarian, just they were born in Slovakia. Their relatives are Hungarians. Triscsuk is a good player, currently she is in a very good form, but I still don't like this kind of naturalisation even if she helps our team.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Gojira » Tue May 30, 2017 9:19 pm

swarthofole wrote:and Triscsuk?
she also played for Russia if I am not wrong.

As far as I know she played only in junior NT of Russia. From wikipedia:

"As a youngster, Triscsuk played alongside Emiliya Turey, Lyudmila Postnova and Yekaterina Andryushina in the Russian youth national teams, however, she never made a full international appearance."

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Stefan_MNE » Tue May 30, 2017 10:55 pm

I don't think such a rule could prevent nations such as Qatar from buying players, as they are increasingly setting their sights on younger players. I believe a more reasonable rule could be that a player should have a relevant link with the country they represent.

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Postby swarthofole » Wed May 31, 2017 7:29 am

Gojira wrote:
swarthofole wrote:and Triscsuk?
she also played for Russia if I am not wrong.

As far as I know she played only in junior NT of Russia. From wikipedia:

"As a youngster, Triscsuk played alongside Emiliya Turey, Lyudmila Postnova and Yekaterina Andryushina in the Russian youth national teams, however, she never made a full international appearance."

I remember the same. She played only in junior NT. But I think it should be enough not to be eligible for playing for other country imo.
Either way I consider the main criteria should be the origin. If you don't have at least a parent from your adoptive country you should not be allowed to play imho. I wouldn't go further with the research, I mean I consider grandparents or any other ancestors being too deep digging in your origins. After all, there is no pure race on this earth and we sure have mongolian blood and so on and if you go further with the research I think you might find yourself almost every nationality in your blood. :D
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Gojira » Wed May 31, 2017 7:53 am

swarthofole wrote:
Gojira wrote:
swarthofole wrote:and Triscsuk?
she also played for Russia if I am not wrong.

As far as I know she played only in junior NT of Russia. From wikipedia:

"As a youngster, Triscsuk played alongside Emiliya Turey, Lyudmila Postnova and Yekaterina Andryushina in the Russian youth national teams, however, she never made a full international appearance."

I remember the same. She played only in junior NT. But I think it should be enough not to be eligible for playing for other country imo.
Either way I consider the main criteria should be the origin. If you don't have at least a parent from your adoptive country you should not be allowed to play imho. I wouldn't go further with the research, I mean I consider grandparents or any other ancestors being too deep digging in your origins. After all, there is no pure race on this earth and we sure have mongolian blood and so on and if you go further with the research I think you might find yourself almost every nationality in your blood. :D

I think this is too drastic. If she/he is living in a country for years (say at least 5 or more), and speaks the language, and never played in any other country's NT, then she/he should be eligible. I agree that if someone played in a senior NT, then he/she should not be allowed to play in another.

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Postby swarthofole » Wed May 31, 2017 8:00 am

and then you can call it multinational team, not national team. :lol:
sorry, but this is my opinion. only Hungarians should play for Hungary, only Romanians for Romania and so on.
maybe you know the current situation in table tennis. almost every nation has at least one asian in the NT. this is not fair imho. and I am not that kind of nationalist if you know what I mean. :D but if we are talking about NT competition we should stick to the origins, for multinational teams there are other competitions (club competitions).
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Gojira » Wed May 31, 2017 8:46 am

swarthofole wrote:and then you can call it multinational team, not national team. :lol:
sorry, but this is my opinion. only Hungarians should play for Hungary, only Romanians for Romania and so on.
maybe you know the current situation in table tennis. almost every nation has at least one asian in the NT. this is not fair imho. and I am not that kind of nationalist if you know what I mean. :D but if we are talking about NT competition we should stick to the origins, for multinational teams there are other competitions (club competitions).

Let's agree to disagree :D I think a NT should be selected from the citizens of a given country, regardless of their ethnic origin. Of course, if they have already played in another country's senior NT, they should not be eligible. To give examples: I consider Triscsuk eligible for the Hungarian NT while El-Ghaoui to be not. IMHO of course.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:39 am

Nicole ANDERSEN (DEN --> USA)

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Postby Doru Delavale » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:35 pm

Wbk wrote:Nicole ANDERSEN (DEN --> USA)

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When I search for technique datas on american tourneaments I notice too a detached scorer....but surprisingly is a blond blue-eyes danish...
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby John » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:19 pm

The Executive Commitee of EHF made a decision.
EHF will support MNE's proposition about players naturalization.
The final decision will be made in august but it's expected to get full support.

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Postby bajkalb » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:39 pm

John wrote:The Executive Commitee of EHF made a decision.
EHF will support MNE's proposition about players naturalization.
The final decision will be made in august but it's expected to get full support.


Source for further info?

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Postby vlad_impaler » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:25 pm

John wrote:The Executive Commitee of EHF made a decision.
EHF will support MNE's proposition about players naturalization.
The final decision will be made in august but it's expected to get full support.


What proposition?

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Postby swarthofole » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:34 pm

read the earlier posts, vladutz. it's all there! :D
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:16 pm

John wrote:Montenegro's handball federation started an initiative against players naturalisation. The representives of the handball federation had a meeting with the president of IHF in Belgrade.
Another meeting will be held in Zagreb in June.
The main idea is that if a player played for the senior team she/he can no longer play for another country. They suggested something about younger players also but in the article it didn't say what (but i assume that a player can't choose another country if he is under 18 or something like that, this is jut my opinion, maybe it's something else)
They have support from other handball federations.
The final decision will be made in August this year.
The president of IHF suggested a closer cooperation between the handball federations of ex Yugoslavia.
There will be a meeting in Podgorica under the sponsorship of IHF.


The current official state of this matter:

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Postby John » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:00 pm

That's more like it. :D

F. Y. Qatar :D

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Bo$ko » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:41 am

Elizabeth Omoregie got a Slovenian citizenship and will play for their national team!
She has a contract with Krim till 2020, and their goal is to play at Tokyo Olympics.

Her last official match for Bulgaria was on June 4th 2016 against Spain in Round 6 of EURO2016 Qualifications.

Will be interesting to wait for Nov 9th and IHF Council meeting... :-"
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Postby OltchimRmValcea » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:30 am

Bo$ko wrote:Elizabeth Omoregie got a Slovenian citizenship and will play for their national team!
She has a contract with Krim till 2020, and their goal is to play at Tokyo Olympics.

Her last official match for Bulgaria was on June 4th 2016 against Spain in Round 6 of EURO2016 Qualifications.

Will be interesting to wait for Nov 9th and IHF Council meeting... :-"


Any update after this meeting?
And will Omoregie play for Slovenia in Germany?
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Ricci » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:53 am

The Council of IHF limited naturalisation to only 3 players, a made some other changes ...

http://www.g-sport.mk/vest-statija/5435 ... lizacijata
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:02 am

Ricci wrote:The Council of IHF limited naturalisation to only 3 players, a made some other changes ...

http://www.g-sport.mk/vest-statija/5435 ... lizacijata


Thank you! If google translate is right, they say this rule is still available: Have a three-year break from the last performance for another national team. So no Omoregie in Germany. Her first official appereance in Slovenian team should be in summer 2019.
L. Hutupan-Dinu, V. Ardean-Elisei, Cristina Neagu, O. Manea, I. Stanca, M. Jovanovic, Y. Ozel, R. Maier.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Joana » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:53 pm

OltchimRmValcea wrote:
Ricci wrote:The Council of IHF limited naturalisation to only 3 players, a made some other changes ...

http://www.g-sport.mk/vest-statija/5435 ... lizacijata


Thank you! If google translate is right, they say this rule is still available: Have a three-year break from the last performance for another national team. So no Omoregie in Germany. Her first official appereance in Slovenian team should be in summer 2019.


Yes, and also:

- The player needs to have lived the last three years in his/her new country
- A naturalized player is every player that got the citizenship of the new country after the age of 16, regardless of whether he or she previously played on another NT

I think the last rule isn't really fair because a lot of countries have really strict citizenship laws, so a lot of young people who have lived most of or even entire their lives in that country still aren't eligible for citizenship. I don't think it's right to count them as naturalized players once they do get it if they have never played on another NT.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby John » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:19 pm

Pff, but still better than before.
But how about this.
If a player wants to play for another country, and played for a team from that country but now is on loan to a team from another country, the years he spent in that country now don't count since he didn't live for 3 consecutive years?

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Gojira » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:35 pm

John wrote:Pff, but still better than before.
But how about this.
If a player wants to play for another country, and played for a team from that country but now is on loan to a team from another country, the years he spent in that country now don't count since he didn't live for 3 consecutive years?

I would say yes, they don't count. But then I am not a lawyer in the pay of EHF/IHF, their opinion may be different.


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