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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby swarthofole » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:51 am

Bo$ko wrote:Popović is not proper name for this list. She played for Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and after referendum she chose to play for Montenegro. She has never played for Serbia as independent country.

That depends on what criteria you use. She is born in Nis (current teritory of Serbia) so I think the citizenship should be serbian. Now of course it was her choice to play for Mne, but that not changes the place of birth.


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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby kibby » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:24 am

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Also, maybe Amanda Kurtovic should be on this list. Her father is Croatian and her mother is Swedish, and she plays for Norway.


Born in Sweden and spent most of her years in Norway, did you expect her to play forCroatia? She even sings the national anthem =D>


Yes. Marta Tomac also spent most of her life in Norway, but chose to play for Croatia, both national junior team and a few national team matches as well. She became Norwegian just last year (on paper), even though she was raised in Trondheim, Norway.

Kurtovic, however (who lived in Sweden for six years) was actually going to represent Sweden, but the Swedish national team didn't want her: http://www.vg.no/sport/ol-2012/sverige-ville-ikke-ha-kurtovic/a/10067188/

From the article:
Norge tok imot Amanda med åpne armer. Hun byttet til norsk statsborgerskap og i vinter ble hun verdensmester for Norge - i sitt aller første seniormesterskap.


In English: Norway accepted Amanda with open arms. She changed her citizenship to Norwegian, and this winter she won the World Championship with Norway, in her very first senior championship.

And regarding to sing along to the national anthem: So does Thorir Hergeirsson (Iceland) and Mia Hermasson Högdahl (Sweden) :lol:
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Bo$ko » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:16 pm

swarthofole wrote:
Bo$ko wrote:Popović is not proper name for this list. She played for Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and after referendum she chose to play for Montenegro. She has never played for Serbia as independent country.

That depends on what criteria you use. She is born in Nis (current teritory of Serbia) so I think the citizenship should be serbian. Now of course it was her choice to play for Mne, but that not changes the place of birth.



Well, according to the topic's name, we should mention only players that played for one and switched for other NT.
Her citizenship wasn't Serbian, but Yugoslav... After referendum she got Montenegrin citizenship, not Serbian. Clear!
But since you all started to name players that were born in one country and played for other one as naturalized players, this topic lost sense. :lol:
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby gyms » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:22 am

I am agreed that we have written in the list those players who got other citizenship as child, and played only for one national team. It is a naturalisation too, because they weren't born as german, spanish or french like Nadgornaja, Signate, Kurtovic etc. and they have to change the citizenship to play for an other country.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:41 am

Karina YOZHIKOVA added.

She's Belarus-born, but switched and played for Russia in the younger age categories. Reaching seniors, however, she decided to play for her native NT again.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby jensm » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:47 pm

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:10 pm

Notes about dual citizenhip added to some Russian players on the list, see the initial post ^^.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Joana » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:28 pm

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Bo$ko » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:26 pm

Jasmina Janković from BIH to NED.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:35 pm

Bo$ko wrote:Jasmina Janković from BIH to NED.

Added with a note, as she changed Bosna for Netherlands being 5. More about her story: http://www.handbal.nl/userfiles/Roy/Kli ... ew.pdf.pdf
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Germanicus » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:42 pm

gyms wrote:have to change the citizenship to play for an other country

Sure but I'm sure many of them did not change citizenship in order to play for a nation but did it as a child, likely together with their parents, when playing international (or even playing handball) was not considered at all.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:44 pm

After reading the Kibby's post from the other topic I added Melanie Felber (Source) to the initial list of players with multiple citizenship competing only for their native country.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby gyms » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:15 am

Germanicus wrote:
gyms wrote:have to change the citizenship to play for an other country

Sure but I'm sure many of them did not change citizenship in order to play for a nation but did it as a child, likely together with their parents, when playing international (or even playing handball) was not considered at all.


It isn't important that they did it as child, and didn't know that they will be handball players. They changed their citizenship and play for an other, new country. It is a real naturalisation and isn't important when it happened.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Scheersberg » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:43 am

Wbk wrote:
Bo$ko wrote:Jasmina Janković from BIH to NED.

Added with a note, as she changed Bosna for Netherlands being 5. More about her story: http://www.handbal.nl/userfiles/Roy/Kli ... ew.pdf.pdf

I would not "count" Jankovic, but that 's a matter of definition, indeed leaving Bosnia because of the war by then.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:23 am

Scheersberg wrote:
Wbk wrote:
Bo$ko wrote:Jasmina Janković from BIH to NED.

Added with a note, as she changed Bosna for Netherlands being 5. More about her story: http://www.handbal.nl/userfiles/Roy/Kli ... ew.pdf.pdf

I would not "count" Jankovic, but that 's a matter of definition, indeed leaving Bosnia because of the war by then.

That's why we started to add specific individual remarks (if available) to the players. ;)
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby kibby » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:01 pm

kibby wrote:Kurtovic, however (who lived in Sweden for six years) was actually going to represent Sweden, but the Swedish national team didn't want her: http://www.vg.no/sport/ol-2012/sverige-ville-ikke-ha-kurtovic/a/10067188/

From the article:
Norge tok imot Amanda med åpne armer. Hun byttet til norsk statsborgerskap og i vinter ble hun verdensmester for Norge - i sitt aller første seniormesterskap.


In English: Norway accepted Amanda with open arms. She changed her citizenship to Norwegian, and this winter she won the World Championship with Norway, in her very first senior championship.


Kurtovic: I feel Swedish: http://www.aftenposten.no/100Sport/ol/Den-norske-handballyndlingen-avslorer---Jeg-foler-meg-svensk-803011_1.snd?

From the article:
- Jeg er 50 prosent svensk. Vi snakker svensk hjemme. Hele familien er svensk og Karlskrona er «hjemme» for meg, det er der mormor bor. Jeg føler meg svensk. Men jeg representerer Norge, sier Kurtovic til avisen.


In English: I am 50 % Swedish. We talk Swedish at home. My whole family is Swedish and Karlskrona (city in Sweden) is "home" to me, that's where my grand mother lives. I feel Swedish. But I represent Norway, says Kurtovic to Aftenposten.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby meteo » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:56 am

Saskia Lang (dual citizenship) decided playing for germany, youth caps for Switzerland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskia_Lang
Shenia Minevskaja - don't know when she exactly obtain german citizenship, but born in Minsk and with her parents playing for GUS and USSR and moved 1994 to Germany she was not a born german ;) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenia_Minevskaja https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrej_Minevski

Gordana Mitrovic (HSG Blomberg-Lippe) able to play for Germany or Serbia
http://www.derwesten.de/sport/lokalspor ... 99442.html
http://www.eurohandball.com/ec/cwc/wome ... naMitrovic

Melanie Herrmann (dual citizenship) former youth caps for Germany, since 2012 playing for Austria https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Herrmann
Celia Schneider - SUI was looking for goalkeeper, was teammate of Karin Weigel and Nicole Dinkel in Göppingen when she asked for swiss citizenship. mother swiss.
http://www.stimme.de/sport/region/sonst ... 43,2788854

Stephanie Lukau dual citizenship for Germany and Angola
http://www.handball-world.com/o.red.c/n ... 23642.html

I'm sure we will have some decent belgian talents soon to add like Kim Braun, playing for Leverkusen (Naturalisation in progress)
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Germanicus » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:19 pm

Wow, it's quite a long time since you haven't posted in this forum :-)

Btw. what are the precise official first names of Minevskaja and Nadgornaja? It is correct that they are actually Evgenia and Nadezhda, respectively?
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:34 am


Her last NT international starts were for Algeria, so it is a dual citizenship apparently.
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby gyms » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:46 am

Wbk wrote:

Her last NT international starts were for Algeria, so it is a dual citizenship apparently.


Yes, it seems she has 2 citizenships.
Won't you add her to the list?

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby Wbk » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:04 am

gyms wrote:
Wbk wrote:

Her last NT international starts were for Algeria, so it is a dual citizenship apparently.


Yes, it seems she has 2 citizenships.
Won't you add her to the list?

I did it on Tuesday already :) You have to look at the initial post's second list ;)
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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby gyms » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:30 pm

Asma Elghaoui (TUN) got hungarian citizenship according to this article.
We heard about it months ago, but it seems it will be true.

http://www.sonline.hu/somogy/sport/tavo ... lez-681721

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby gyms » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:42 am

gyms wrote:Asma Elghaoui (TUN) got hungarian citizenship according to this article.
We heard about it months ago, but it seems it will be true.

http://www.sonline.hu/somogy/sport/tavo ... lez-681721


Wbk! You can add her to the list too, it is official:

http://www.nemzetisport.hu/kezilabda/no ... tt-2523677

There is a pic in the article.

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Re: Players' naturalisation in women's handball

Postby handbol » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:23 pm

Wbk wrote:Multiple citizenship players competing only for their native country all along:
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ZALEWSKA-GARDONI, Karolina (POL & FRA)


Actually Karolina did play for the french NT, for the A' team back in 2009.
I have a picture of her with the french jersey somewhere on my old hard drives, but here his an article talking about a tournament in 2009 where she is mentionned as a french NT player. It was to get prepared for the WCh 2009. In the end she was not part of the 16 players who played the 2009 World championship. It was probably the last time she wore the french jersey...
http://imhblog.canalblog.com/archives/2009/02/22/12657085.html
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