Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby swarthofole » Thu May 10, 2018 1:59 pm

I posted that link only to make fun of. I think no one takes that seriously. :D :D :D
At least I don't... :roll:


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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Flash » Thu May 10, 2018 6:35 pm

CSM is the only team who is obligated to win Final4, after all the money spent, the deep bench and injury-free, IMO.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Faith » Fri May 11, 2018 12:13 pm

All-Star Team: http://www.eurohandball.com/article/30665

Women's EHF Champions League All-star Team 2017/18:

Goalkeeper: Kari Aalvik Grimsbø (NOR) - Györi Audi ETO KC
Left wing: Siraba Dembele (FRA) - Rostov-Don
Left back: Cristina Neagu (ROU) - CSM Bucuresti
Centre back: Veronica Kristiansen (NOR) - FC Midtjylland
Line player: Dragana Cvijic (SRB) - HC Vardar
Right back: Ana Gros (SLO) - Metz Handball
Right wing: Iuliia Managarova (RUS) - Rostov-Don
Defender: Zsuzsanna Tomori (HUN) - Györi Audi ETO KC
Young player: Tjasa Stanko (SLO) - RK Krim Mercator
Coach: Ambros Martin (ESP) - Györi Audi ETO KC

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Fri May 11, 2018 4:40 pm

This year I expect a Vardar-Győr final and a Vardar victory as they had a more solid form this year.
However from the next year it will be Győr the one and only candidate with Kristiansen-Brattset-Leynaud.
Vardar is dispersing, CSM loses the biggest strenght they ever had, Rostov has reached its peak and I don"t see in them a big potential to move up.
Both Rostov and CSM will be permanent F4 participants but I see nothing that could even get close to the Kristiansen-Groot-Mörk(Amorim-Oftedal-Tomori) line.

I really feel sorry for losing so many big teams in such a short period of time: Larvik, Buducnost, Itxaco, Valcea, Baia Mare, Vardar, Hypo, Slagelse
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby gergő » Sat May 12, 2018 10:24 am

Women junior FINAL4, semi final:
MAGYARORSZÁG-SZLOVÉNIA 32-22 (15-12)
Budapest, Elek Gyula Aréna, játékvezetők: Altmár, Horváth.

MAGYARORSZÁG: Suba, Dányi, Hlogyik (kapusok), Faluvégi 5, Giricz 1, Háfra 2, Hornyák B. 1, Kácsor 3 (2), Klujber 4, Kuczora 2, Kuti 3, Lakatos, Márton 1, Pásztor 1, Pénzes 2, Sallai 4, Szabó K. 1, Tóvizi 2. HC: Golovin Vlagyimir.

SZLOVÉNIA: Arhanic, Curk, Vojnovic (kapusok), Abina 1, Akalovic, Bon 1, Copi 3, Golavsek 1, Grioff, Hrvatin 4, Kolar 1, Lovsin 5, Strnad 2 (1), Voncica 3, Vucko 1, Zabjak. HC: Tjasa Arhanic.
2m: 3; 3
7m: 2/2; 2/1.

MNE-RUS coming up.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Gojira » Sat May 12, 2018 10:57 am

gergő wrote:Women junior FINAL4, semi final:
MAGYARORSZÁG-SZLOVÉNIA 32-22 (15-12)
Budapest, Elek Gyula Aréna, játékvezetők: Altmár, Horváth.

MAGYARORSZÁG: Suba, Dányi, Hlogyik (kapusok), Faluvégi 5, Giricz 1, Háfra 2, Hornyák B. 1, Kácsor 3 (2), Klujber 4, Kuczora 2, Kuti 3, Lakatos, Márton 1, Pásztor 1, Pénzes 2, Sallai 4, Szabó K. 1, Tóvizi 2. HC: Golovin Vlagyimir.

SZLOVÉNIA: Arhanic, Curk, Vojnovic (kapusok), Abina 1, Akalovic, Bon 1, Copi 3, Golavsek 1, Grioff, Hrvatin 4, Kolar 1, Lovsin 5, Strnad 2 (1), Voncica 3, Vucko 1, Zabjak. HC: Tjasa Arhanic.
2m: 3; 3
7m: 2/2; 2/1.

MNE-RUS coming up.


It should be in the "Youth handball" topic, ain't it. Anyway,

Russia - Montenego 35:21 (16:9)
Penalties: 6/7-3/4. expulsions: 6-8 min.

Russian goalscorers: Ignatovich 6, Mikhaylichenko 6, Shcherbak 5, Sinitsyna 4, Davidenko 3, Zelenkova 3, Tazhenova 3, Koroleva 2, Sheina 1, Kremneva 1, Shaposhnikova 1.

Montenegrin goalscorers: Novakovic 6, Nisavic 4, Vukcevic 3, Bozovic 2, Mededovic 2, Konatar 1, Adzic 1, Korovic 1, Knezevic 1.

I apologize if the spellings of the names of Montenegro players are bad, I copied it from a Russian article.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby gergő » Sat May 12, 2018 11:00 am

Gojira wrote:
gergő wrote:It should be in the "Youth handball" topic, ain't it. Anyway,

dunno maybe you're right. but its a f4 side event, so... :roll:

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby John » Sat May 12, 2018 12:04 pm

Derp wrote:I really feel sorry for losing so many big teams in such a short period of time: Buducnost


We didn't lose Buducnost. If their youth project doesn't work out they will start buying good/star players again. But not as many as Gyor and CSM.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Sat May 12, 2018 12:20 pm

John wrote:
Derp wrote:I really feel sorry for losing so many big teams in such a short period of time: Buducnost


We didn't lose Buducnost. If their youth project doesn't work out they will start buying good/star players again. But not as many as Gyor and CSM.


Yeah, of course, but than we have never lost any of the above teams: Vardar will 'function' next year too, the Valcea team is still in fight today, Hypo Niederosterrech keeps winning the Austrian titles, Larvik is I think the 2nd in the Norwegian championship...
I am talking about the top-top teams, top level handball. These teams are no longer considered as a factor in the CL, or are they?
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby John » Sat May 12, 2018 12:43 pm

Derp wrote:Yeah, of course, but than we have never lost any of the above teams: Vardar will 'function' next year too, the Valcea team is still in fight today, Hypo Niederosterrech keeps winning the Austrian titles, Larvik is I think the 2nd in the Norwegian championship...
I am talking about the top-top teams, top level handball. These teams are no longer considered as a factor in the CL, or are they?


Well we can't have more teams that are considered a factor in CL since Gyor and CSM bought all their players :P :lol:
Yeah, but all those teams (except Buducnnost) that you mentioned don't have money anymore. I think Buducnost might start buying better players from season 2019/20 (if there are any left) :D

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat May 12, 2018 1:00 pm

I just have a bad feeling about this!

I hope it's not Helle's karma after she was fired. These two Croats whistled CSM-FCM and Thomsen then criticised the refereeing showing them the middle finger. http://www.gsp.ro/sporturi/handbal/fina ... 39348.html

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If EHF can't offer good refereeing, it would be really a pity! Because the finals take place once against in Budapest.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Flash » Sat May 12, 2018 1:50 pm

So you have a "bad feeling" when those referees obviously were in favour of CSM before and this evening are refereeing CSM again :roll: ... So sad corrupt referees are trashing handball

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Sat May 12, 2018 2:15 pm

John wrote:
Derp wrote:Yeah, of course, but than we have never lost any of the above teams: Vardar will 'function' next year too, the Valcea team is still in fight today, Hypo Niederosterrech keeps winning the Austrian titles, Larvik is I think the 2nd in the Norwegian championship...
I am talking about the top-top teams, top level handball. These teams are no longer considered as a factor in the CL, or are they?


Well we can't have more teams that are considered a factor in CL since Gyor and CSM bought all their players :P :lol:
Yeah, but all those teams (except Buducnnost) that you mentioned don't have money anymore. I think Buducnost might start buying better players from season 2019/20 (if there are any left) :D


There is 2 different paradigm now: buy yourself a team and enjoy or train your own yougsters up to the needed level.
In normal circumstances you have to amke a choice between the 2 but nowayday the second option remained the only for the mentioned teams/clubs. This is however broadcasted as a choice and for a better good or for the sake of our NT,etc. This is more about PR, a 'necessary virtue'.
I really believe that if once Buducnost gets back on track financially they will also start to bring foreigners and old players to be stronger and will leave this necessary virtue behind just like an old, wrinkled, boring wife.
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby John » Sat May 12, 2018 3:29 pm

Derp wrote:I really believe that if once Buducnost gets back on track financially


Where did this come from? They don't have financial problems.. they wanted to bring some players this season but they are bound with the contract in their current teams and didn't want to leave.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Sat May 12, 2018 3:52 pm

John wrote:
Derp wrote:I really believe that if once Buducnost gets back on track financially


Where did this come from? They don't have financial problems.. they wanted to bring some players this season but they are bound with the contract in their current teams and didn't want to leave.


Man, no team would on purpose let Neagu and Bulatovic to leave.
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Sat May 12, 2018 3:53 pm

Győr - Bucuresti 26-20

Amazing match, congratulations!
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat May 12, 2018 3:56 pm

Congratulations, Gyor!

Bucharest should really find a classy coach.

SHAME ON GULLDEN, NEAGU AND ESPECIALLY SABINA JACOBSEN! Go back, Jacobsen, you are an impostor! And take Hagman with you, she was as bad as you. Basically Jacobsen was not on the field, Hagman was playing for Gyor. Unreal!

Also shame on Ungureanu, CSM should retire her ASAP! You are a lot overweight once again. Bring Dedu and Dumanska, kick all the goalkeepers! Bring also Pintea, you can also kick Manea because she got older and cannot play better anyway.

Saurina-Ayglon also looked very, very capped. What happened with these players? Only Mehmedovic and Kurtovic tried to play, a bit also Line but she was far from being exact.

I hope you are also losing the 3rd place, I am not watching you anymore. I will watch the other two, like any Romanian team would not be involved. You are a shame for Romania. MARE PERFORMANTA ATI REUSIT IN ULTIMELE 2 EDITII! 0 AI FOST, BELLA, 0!! De 2 sezoane invingeti numai Metz, Ferencvaros si o echipa si mai slaba (Buducnost).

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat May 12, 2018 4:00 pm

Manea e handicapata! "We deserve a HOLIDAY, we will try to do our best NOW and win the bronze medal.".

AHAHAHA, who cares? Just kick fat Manea with her lousy mentality! She only played well one time, at World Champs. In rest, she always fails in finals. She has quality, but no mentality.
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat May 12, 2018 4:05 pm

Even Costică Buceschi said it's another "missed" season, only Manea thinks 3rd place is awesome.

I agree though CSM has better squad a bit than ETO, but Gyor had better 9-meter line and still has it. Because Kurtovic is not yet at 100%, plus Gulden does nothing in last 2 years.

Kick Johansson soon, please! If he would have had a bit of value, even on short term he could have done at least one time some wonders...

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby John » Sat May 12, 2018 4:08 pm

Derp wrote:Man, no team would on purpose let Neagu and Bulatovic to leave.


They would if the future of MNE national team depends on it. Buducnost was always about making a NT where players play together. They started the story 2 years before Neagu and Bulatovic left. That's why Jaukovic and the other got more playing time each year. They do this all the time. This is actually the 3rd time they let go of stars and try young players.
Also, Bulatovic is not on good terms with Adzic.
I think i know a little bit more than you about the team from my country and my city.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat May 12, 2018 4:14 pm

If you think Althaus was bad, Monday at school I will teach the little girls my juniors... how to do nothing on the field! I can number every phase with Jacobsen involved, doing nothing. I have never seen such a thing on this level, never ever! Sabina Jacobsen was a ghost.

Curea said they were "very connected". Of course, only coach doesn't exist, they don't train well. They want it, but only Martin was a coach today.

Just kick the old Romanian players and bring fresher (Dumanska, Dedu, Pintea, maybe Buceschi why not).

CASTROPHIC GAME

PS. Costică wants to train CSM, but we have seen him in Baia Mare.

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Sat May 12, 2018 4:21 pm

John wrote:
Derp wrote:Man, no team would on purpose let Neagu and Bulatovic to leave.


They would if the future of MNE national team depends on it. Buducnost was always about making a NT where players play together. They started the story 2 years before Neagu and Bulatovic left. That's why Jaukovic and the other got more playing time each year. They do this all the time. This is actually the 3rd time they let go of stars and try young players.
Also, Bulatovic is not on good terms with Adzic.
I think i know a little bit more than you about the team from my country and my city.


I believe you, you might know more about your team for sure.
But let me return to my original point: if there is a must to work only with young players instead of ready made stars, no one likes to admit that it is not by choice and will possibly promote their purpose to help the NT.
Anyways if you think that Buducnost simply gave up all future CL victories for the sake of a better NT why do they let Jovana Kovacevic go to Békéscsaba? Or Malovic to FTC?
Or rather why are they singing the old Andjela Bulatovic to finish there her career and why are there rumours about signing again Katarina Bulatovic too(also not so young)?
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby sphinx » Sat May 12, 2018 5:29 pm

The game between Gyor and CSM showed me a few things:
1. Neagu and Gullden can not play together. I think Neagu will be better off with Lekic than with Gullden. It would have been extraordinary if they had managed to bring Ana Paula Rodrigues back.
2. CSM has no goalkeepers. All the respect for Paula Ungureanu, but I think it's time for her to take a step back. CSM should seriously think about Mayssa Pessoa, Amra Pandzic or Elena Utkina. It's a shame they missed Tess Wester.
3. Hagman is not RW. Or she does not fold at all on the CSM style. She did not manage to cover the space left by Carmen Martin's departure. Maybe Radicevic will be a plus.
4. CSM has problems in defensive since Torstenson left. And now, with Ayglon's departure, they will be even worse. I think they should think about bringing Crina Pintea and Gabriela Perianu, especially now that Siofok has taken Penezic.
Anyway, congratulations Gyor!

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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby Derp » Sat May 12, 2018 5:47 pm

sphinx wrote:4. CSM has problems in defensive since Torstenson left. And now, with Ayglon's departure, they will be even worse. I think they should think about bringing Crina Pintea and Gabriela Perianu, especially now that Siofok has taken Penezic.
Anyway, congratulations Gyor!


Seeing the opinions of the Romanian fans I think you should suggest CSM to buy out the whole Siófok team instead. Maybe there would be a discount ;)
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Re: Champions League FINAL4 (12-13 May)

Postby John » Sat May 12, 2018 5:48 pm

Derp wrote:Anyways if you think that Buducnost simply gave up all future CL victories for the sake of a better NT why do they let Jovana Kovacevic go to Békéscsaba? Or Malovic to FTC?
Or rather why are they singing the old Andjela Bulatovic to finish there her career and why are there rumours about signing again Katarina Bulatovic too(also not so young)?


In Adzic's opinion Kovacevic doesn't fit the strategy (read: thinks she is not good enough in defense).

Malovic going to FTC is a story of internal affairs that i won't share.

Katarina is not coming back to Buducnost those are just rumors (lies), she herself confirmed it that she was not contacted nor has the desire to come back.

A.Bulatovic was the last minute option since players on position she is going to play on are not available (already are bound by multiple year contracts in their clubs).

I told you they were trying to buy some players (NT players) but the offer came to late. No one expected Malovic to leave.


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