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2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:36 pm

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The hosting cities are Bucharest and Brașov.

The exact playing dates will be confirmed later; U20 WChs are basically scheduled for (late June-)July.

Players born in 2000-2001 and younger involved, players must be aged at least 16 at the same time. It is the last international event for this youth generation, therefore, it has no following consequences for other competitions.


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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:37 pm

List of the already qualified teams (11 out of 24):

Image ROMANIA (qualified as: organiser)

Image HUNGARY (winner of the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image NETHERLANDS (runner-up of the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image NORWAY (3rd place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image RUSSIA (4th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image DENMARK (6th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image SPAIN (7th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image FRANCE (8th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image GERMANY (9th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image CROATIA (10th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image AUSTRIA (11th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)



Road for remaining (13) teams to qualify:

4 teams: ranked 1st-4th at the 2019 Asian Junior U19 Championship (currently being held in Lebanon)

3 teams: ranked 1st-3th at the 2019 African Nations Junior U19 Championship (scheduled for September in Niger)

3 teams: ranked 1st-3th at the 2020 South & Central American Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)

1 team: winner of the 2020 North American & Caribbean Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)

1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)
^Note: It can be expected that this event, as usual, won't take place, so the free spot should be given to the top ranked continent at the preceding Junior U20 WCh (2018 JWCh in Hungary), which is Europe => Image MONTENEGRO (12th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO) with a real hope to qualify

1 team: winner of the 2019/2020 IHF Junior U19/U20 Trophy - Intercontinental Phase (no info yet available about date and host)
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Doru Delavale » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm

Wbk wrote:Image

The hosting cities are Bucharest and Brașov.

The exact playing dates will be confirmed later; U20 WChs are basically scheduled for (late June-)July.

Players born in 2000-2001 and younger involved, players must be aged at least 16 at the same time. It is the last international event for this youth generation, therefore, it has no following consequences for other competitions.

I ask myself why Brasov and not Cluj with much bigger hall ? :shock: or even Craiova ?

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby HB9 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:12 pm

Why would you need a bigger hall when only a few family members watch a match? (host country matches excluded)
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Doru Delavale » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:30 pm

HB9 wrote:Why would you need a bigger hall when only a few family members watch a match? (host country matches excluded)

1<10<100 (host country included.....+++ in Cluj should be more spectators from Hungary than in Brasov I presume, plus Cluj has a relative important airport....in a country with less highways)

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:53 pm

Distance and time, Doru. Some teams will travel after group stage. You drive 2,5 hours from Bucharest to Brasov. Also 2,5h by train.
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:26 pm

Wbk wrote:Road for remaining teams to qualify:

4 teams: ranked 1st-4th at the 2019 Asian Junior U19 Championship (currently being held in Lebanon)

At the ongoing Junior Asian Champs (wiki page), we already know the teams qualified for the 2020 JWCh. These are the classic Asian trio (KOR, JPN, CHN) and ... here comes the eye-opener ... the hosts of Lebanon! You surely want to know how is this even possible. A look at the Lebanese lineup gives you the answer:

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Those 6 unusual Lebanese names are Serbian girls. The most notable one, Andrea Boner, competed for the Serbian '00/01 NT at the 2016 Mediterranean Championships and was one of the team's best players.


List of the already qualified teams (15 out of 24):

Image ROMANIA (qualified as: organiser)

Image HUNGARY (winner of the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image NETHERLANDS (runner-up of the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image NORWAY (3rd place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image RUSSIA (4th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image DENMARK (6th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image SPAIN (7th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image FRANCE (8th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image GERMANY (9th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image CROATIA (10th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image AUSTRIA (11th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)

Image JAPAN (semifinalist of the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship[/url])
Image LEBANON (semifinalist of the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship[/url])
Image SOUTH KOREA (semifinalist of the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship[/url])
Image CHINA (semifinalist of the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship[/url])



Road for remaining (9) teams to qualify:

3 teams: ranked 1st-3th at the 2019 African Nations Junior U19 Championship (scheduled for September in Niger)

3 teams: ranked 1st-3th at the 2020 South & Central American Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)

1 team: winner of the 2020 North American & Caribbean Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)

1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)
^Note: It can be expected that this event, as usual, won't take place, so the free spot should be given to the top ranked continent at the preceding Junior U20 WCh (2018 JWCh in Hungary), which is Europe => Image MONTENEGRO (12th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO) with a real hope to qualify

1 team: winner of the 2019/2020 IHF Junior U19/U20 Trophy - Intercontinental Phase (no info yet available about date and host)
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Germanicus » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:54 am

Wbk wrote:A look at the Lebanese lineup gives you the answer: [...] Those 6 unusual Lebanese names are Serbian girls.

But how on earth is it possible?

Hungary nominated Nikolett Tóth*, goalkeeper of Győri ETO to W19 Euro last week, but the nomination was rejected. She was born in Slovakia, has both SVK and HUN citizenships and has been living in Hungary for 35 months. At least 36 months are needed according to IHF rules. IHF rules should be valid in Asia, too.

* A backcourt player of FTC has accidentally the same name but they are no relatives.
In conclusion, I declare that EHF must be destroyed

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am

Germanicus wrote:
Wbk wrote:A look at the Lebanese lineup gives you the answer: [...] Those 6 unusual Lebanese names are Serbian girls.

But how on earth is it possible?

Hungary nominated Nikolett Tóth*, goalkeeper of Győri ETO to W19 Euro last week, but the nomination was rejected. She was born in Slovakia, has both SVK and HUN citizenships and has been living in Hungary for 35 months. At least 36 months are needed according to IHF rules. IHF rules should be valid in Asia, too.

* A backcourt player of FTC has accidentally the same name but they are no relatives.

There are new (updated) IHF regulations for player eligibility valid since 1.7.2019: https://www.ihf.info/sites/default/file ... ity_GB.pdf

In fact, the rules (see Article 6) are aimed dominantly at the senior category. There is only point regarding younger age categories:

6.2 Player eligibility in case of multiple nationalities
6.2.2.3 A player cannot play for two different national teams in the youth or junior category.

As the 6 Serbians didn’t compete for SRB at any official (the list of such events is attached in the end of the regulations) competition in younger age categories, it seems they are authorized to play for LBN. They only need second (Lebanese) passport.

EDIT: Btw, Slovakia doesn’t recognise multiple (dual) citizenship, so Tóth^ must have only Hungarian passport now.
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Germanicus » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:03 am

Thank you. However, in this case I don't understand why her nomination was rejected...
In conclusion, I declare that EHF must be destroyed

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:44 pm

Germanicus wrote:Thank you. However, in this case I don't understand why her nomination was rejected...

Well, Tóth never played a(n official) match for SVK indeed. But, according to the regulations^^, the (forced) lose of her original nationality (Slovak)* leads to the state of things, when she must be considered a player who is changing eligibility to play for a National Federation. Therefore, she must fulfil the condition of living in the territory of the new federation concerned (Hungary) for more than 36 consecutive months.

(cf. Serbian players for Lebanon who are considered as players with multiple nationalities, as they still have Serbian citizenship for sure -- both Serbia & Lebanon allow multiple/dual citizenship.)

It's quite understandable for me.

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* in Slovakia, to be exact, dual citizenship is permitted to Slovak citizens who acquire a second citizenship by birth or through marriage. Moreover, after the 'Hungarian-Slovak citizenship conflict' in 2010 some restrictions to dual citizenship may apply.
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:37 pm

Wbk wrote:Road for remaining teams to qualify:

3 teams: ranked 1st-3th at the 2019 African Nations Junior U19 Championship (scheduled for September in Niger)

Two major outcomes from the African Junior Champs finalised in Niamey, Niger yesterday:
* History made for Guinea! Thanks to the first continental medal ever for the country, a Guinean team qualifies for a WCh for the first time.
* Angola beaten, while very talented Tunisian generation continues to impress. First gold for Tunisia from the younger-age-categories major African event.


List of the already qualified teams (18 out of 24):

Image ROMANIA (qualified as: organiser)

Image HUNGARY (winner of the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image NETHERLANDS (runner-up of the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image NORWAY (3rd place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image RUSSIA (4th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image DENMARK (6th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image SPAIN (7th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image FRANCE (8th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image GERMANY (9th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image CROATIA (10th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)
Image AUSTRIA (11th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO)

Image SOUTH KOREA (winner of the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship)
Image JAPAN (runner-up of the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship)
Image CHINA (3rd place at the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship)
Image LEBANON (4th place at the 2019 Junior U19 Asian Championship)

Image TUNISIA (winner of the 2019 Junior U19 African Nations Championship)
Image ANGOLA (runner-up of the 2019 Junior U19 African Nations Championship)
Image GUINEA (3rd place at the 2019 Junior U19 African Nations Championship)


Road for remaining (6) teams to qualify:

3 teams: ranked 1st-3th at the 2020 South & Central American Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)

1 team: winner of the 2020 North American & Caribbean Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)

1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)
^Note: It can be expected that this event, as usual, won't take place, so the free spot should be given to the top ranked continent at the preceding Junior U20 WCh (2018 JWCh in Hungary), which is Europe => Image MONTENEGRO (12th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO) with a real hope to qualify

1 team: winner of the 2019/2020 IHF Junior U19/U20 Trophy - Intercontinental Phase (no info yet available about date and host)
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Gojira » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:14 pm

Lyubov Sidoricheva's squad which will train between 1 and 12 December:

GK: Anna Vereshchak, Ekaterina Karabutova, Nadezhda Kolesnikova (Dinamo), Yuliya Dolgikh (Zvezda)
LW: Anzhelika Lebedeva (Dinamo), Ekaterina Levchina (Kuban'), Elena Rabazul'kina (CSKA)
LB: Ekaterina Skivko, Viktoriya Turusina (Dinamo), Elena Mikhaylichenko (Lada)
CB: Elizaveta Dudkina (Dinamo), Galina Izmaylova (Astrakhanochka), Velariya Kirdyasheva (Lada)
LP: Olesya Goryacheva (Dinamo), Kseniya Zakordonskaya (Astrakhanochka), Alina Sinel'nikova (Zvezda)
RB: Yuliya Baeva (Astrakhanochka), Valeriya Maslova (Rostov), Elina Sidnina (Dinamo)
RW: Ekaterina Mayorova, Anna Sheina (Dinamo), Valeriya Sobkalo (Rostov)

https://rushandball.ru/publications/25420/lyubov-sidoricheva-vyzvala-v-molodezhnuyu-sbornuyu-rossii-22-gandbolistki

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby dutchfan » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:29 pm

Gojira wrote:Lyubov Sidoricheva's squad which will train between 1 and 12 December:

GK: Anna Vereshchak, Ekaterina Karabutova, Nadezhda Kolesnikova (Dinamo), Yuliya Dolgikh (Zvezda)
LW: Anzhelika Lebedeva (Dinamo), Ekaterina Levchina (Kuban'), Elena Rabazul'kina (CSKA)
LB: Ekaterina Skivko, Viktoriya Turusina (Dinamo), Elena Mikhaylichenko (Lada)
CB: Elizaveta Dudkina (Dinamo), Galina Izmaylova (Astrakhanochka), Velariya Kirdyasheva (Lada)
LP: Olesya Goryacheva (Dinamo), Kseniya Zakordonskaya (Astrakhanochka), Alina Sinel'nikova (Zvezda)
RB: Yuliya Baeva (Astrakhanochka), Valeriya Maslova (Rostov), Elina Sidnina (Dinamo)
RW: Ekaterina Mayorova, Anna Sheina (Dinamo), Valeriya Sobkalo (Rostov)

https://rushandball.ru/publications/25420/lyubov-sidoricheva-vyzvala-v-molodezhnuyu-sbornuyu-rossii-22-gandbolistki

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Gojira » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:41 pm

And Mikhaylichenko, too. We'll see.

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby AUS » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:40 pm

Hi everyone,

Road for remaining (13) teams to qualify:

b]1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20

Oceania Championships was held in New Caledonia in August, from the 11th to the 16th. Winner for this tournament was New Caledonia, but it's not eligible for the World Championship due is a French Country. So the second place was taken by Australia. That means that Australia qualifies for the World Championships.
Follow link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Wome ... ampionship

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:21 pm

AUS wrote:Hi everyone,

Road for remaining (13) teams to qualify:

b]1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20

Oceania Championships was held in New Caledonia in August, from the 11th to the 16th. Winner for this tournament was New Caledonia, but it's not eligible for the World Championship due is a French Country. So the second place was taken by Australia. That means that Australia qualifies for the World Championships.
Follow link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Wome ... ampionship

Regards.

Welcome, AUS!

It was IHF Trophy held in New Caledonia, the tournament which also has a global (so called Intercontinental) phase; and yet the winner of the IHF Trophy - Intercontinental phase also (newly) qualifies for the Junior Worlds. See https://www.ihf.info/media-center/news/ ... nia-titles :
"With (...) results, New Caledonia (...) qualified for the IHF Trophy – Intercontinental Phase to be played in 2020. "

IHF Trophy and continental Championship are different competitions. Wikipedia article is wrong.
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby AUS » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:12 pm

Wbk wrote:
AUS wrote:Hi everyone,

Road for remaining (13) teams to qualify:

b]1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20

Oceania Championships was held in New Caledonia in August, from the 11th to the 16th. Winner for this tournament was New Caledonia, but it's not eligible for the World Championship due is a French Country. So the second place was taken by Australia. That means that Australia qualifies for the World Championships.
Follow link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Wome ... ampionship

Regards.

Welcome, AUS!

It was IHF Trophy held in New Caledonia, the tournament which also has a global (so called Intercontinental) phase; and yet the winner of the IHF Trophy - Intercontinental phase also (newly) qualifies for the Junior Worlds. See https://www.ihf.info/media-center/news/ ... nia-titles :
"With (...) results, New Caledonia (...) qualified for the IHF Trophy – Intercontinental Phase to be played in 2020. "

IHF Trophy and continental Championship are different competitions. Wikipedia article is wrong.


HI!!

You're talking for different competitions. It's true New Cal is attending the Intercontinental Phase because France is not attending this championship. The winner of this Intercontinental phase is qualified for the WC. But I'm talking about Oceania Championships. The Champion of this tournament qualifies straight away for the World Champions, doesn't matter what happens at the Intercontinental phase and not MONTENEGRO taking the Oceania spot as you wrote in your previous posts... New Cal can't attend it, so the second qualified team (Australia) takes the spot.
Last year the Australia men's team won the competition held in New Cal and qualified for the WC held in Spain. They played the Intercontinental phase and didn't win it. So we are talking about different competitions as you told in your post.
Probably Wikipedia article is not wrong. 8:)

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:36 am

AUS wrote:HI!!

You're talking for different competitions. It's true New Cal is attending the Intercontinental Phase because France is not attending this championship. The winner of this Intercontinental phase is qualified for the WC. But I'm talking about Oceania Championships. The Champion of this tournament qualifies straight away for the World Champions, doesn't matter what happens at the Intercontinental phase and not MONTENEGRO taking the Oceania spot as you wrote in your previous posts... New Cal can't attend it, so the second qualified team (Australia) takes the spot.
Last year the Australia men's team won the competition held in New Cal and qualified for the WC held in Spain. They played the Intercontinental phase and didn't win it. So we are talking about different competitions as you told in your post.
Probably Wikipedia article is not wrong. 8:)

Regards

All I can document is cited in the IHF article. I hope they know what's going on here. They explicitely say it was an IHF Trophy tournament (not a continental championship), so I'm a believer of their information atm.

I may be wrong, but, please, give us some referential evidence of that. Thanks in advance ;)
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby AUS » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:48 am

Hi,

In your post on the 22nd of July you wrote: “ ■ 1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)
^Note: It can be expected that this event, as usual, won't take place, so the free spot should be given to the top ranked continent at the preceding Junior U20 WCh (2018 JWCh in Hungary), which is Europe => Image MONTENEGRO (12th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO) with a real hope to qualify”
I don’t know where you got this information that you shared with us, but you said that MONTENEGRO is taking the Oceania spot.
Anyway, the post you shared with us is only talking about the intercontinental phase, not about the World Championships. I reckon Oceania can have its chance to attend this World Championships as the boys made it this Year in July.

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:16 pm

AUS wrote:Hi,

In your post on the 22nd of July you wrote: “ ■ 1 team: winner of the 2020 Oceanian Junior U20 Championship (no info yet available about date and host)
^Note: It can be expected that this event, as usual, won't take place, so the free spot should be given to the top ranked continent at the preceding Junior U20 WCh (2018 JWCh in Hungary), which is Europe => Image MONTENEGRO (12th place at the 2019 Junior U19 EURO) with a real hope to qualify”
I don’t know where you got this information that you shared with us, but you said that MONTENEGRO is taking the Oceania spot.
Anyway, the post you shared with us is only talking about the intercontinental phase, not about the World Championships. I reckon Oceania can have its chance to attend this World Championships as the boys made it this Year in July.

Sorry, but I'm a bit lost in what you say. Reread the topic from the first post, please.

I don't say Europe (Montenegro) is officially taking Oceania spot , I just say there is a possibility of this (based on many previous Junior/Youth WCh editions).

I repeat the key thing tho: provide us, please, with some official evidence that the tournament in New Caledonia in August 11-16 served not only as the IHF Trophy tournament (as IHF said), but also as the Oceanian Champs. Thank you :)
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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby AUS » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:49 pm

Hi,

I'm sharing only my information with you all. Last year it was what happened with the boys. As you wrote in your post, there is one spot for Oceania. Just in case Oceania is not playing its championships, the spot would be available for another Team. I told you that this year Oceania played their tournament and should be one team from Oceania at the World Championships next year in Romania. I have the experience from last year with the boys.

But, what happens if New Cal is winning the IHF Trophy next year? What team will be attending the World Championships? There is one spot for the IHF Trophy Championship, but we know that New Cal can't attend any world Championships due to the French country.

Really we don't know anything else that our own previous experience. This is only personal information and I hope you understand it. Oceania is only trying to improve its handball and trying to get more and more teams and young people playing to this amazing sport.

Thank you for your posts and for sharing your experience with us.

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Re: 2020 Women's Junior U20 WCh (Romania)

Postby Wbk » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:37 pm

AUS wrote:Hi,

I'm sharing only my information with you all. Last year it was what happened with the boys. As you wrote in your post, there is one spot for Oceania. Just in case Oceania is not playing its championships, the spot would be available for another Team. I told you that this year Oceania played their tournament and should be one team from Oceania at the World Championships next year in Romania. I have the experience from last year with the boys.

But, what happens if New Cal is winning the IHF Trophy next year? What team will be attending the World Championships? There is one spot for the IHF Trophy Championship, but we know that New Cal can't attend any world Championships due to the French country.

Really we don't know anything else that our own previous experience. This is only personal information and I hope you understand it. Oceania is only trying to improve its handball and trying to get more and more teams and young people playing to this amazing sport.

Thank you for your posts and for sharing your experience with us.

The point is that normally, there should be two separated tournaments held in Oceania:
* IHF Trophy
* Oceanian Championship

I/We don't know if they decided to merge them into one event. The qualification consequences for the 2019 Men's Junior WCh indicates that, so you may be right. Share it with us if you can present any explicite proof of that, or maybe you can state what is the reliability of the source of your personal information (i.e., who is your source) ;)
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