2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:15 pm

sawyer wrote:Ice hockey in Europe:
no France,
no Italy,
no Spain,
no UK, after football they are obsessed with cricket and rugby
(almost) no Balkans.
weak leagues in ROU and HUN,
no POR, BEL, NED, GRE, etc
To be popular a sport must be accessible to many people.
One can take a ball and play football almost anywhere.
Or use a smaller ball to throw and catch, shoot at a goal/net –handball.
And as Karel said budgets and salaries are not everything. They are important but not the one and only factor.
I watch hockey only at WCh and Olympic games semifinals and finals.
I support European teams against North America and if USA plays against Canada my fav is Canada.
So everyone has their own preferences and I respect anyone’s choice about fav sports.


League Attendance
9. Great Britain - Elite Ice Hockey League 2,252
Icehockey is a lot more popular in GB than Basketball.

Medvescak Zagreb is the most popular club on the balcan now days.

IceFever - Medveščak-Olimpija Ljubljana, Arena Zagreb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrGrUWoHVxs (16.000 fans)
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ITA/FRA plays icehockey world cup. ITA have a decent league just as France.

Weak league even in Latvia but do you know that Icehockey is a lot more popular in Latvia than football ?.

When Sweden and Canada play in Budapest, 10.000 fans.



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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:30 pm

karel wrote:
Staffan wrote: In Icehockey your GK might have a great day and u have a suprise.

SUI and GER are better than BLS now days and Latvia every now and than suprise.


In one, two matches - yes. But as I have said that before: it is impossible to win ANY medal for teams, which are not in "big 7" (CAN, USA, SWE, FIN, RUS, CZE, SVK) and that would be a real surprise. Last time some different team won a WCh medal in ice hockey in... 1953. Quite long time ago. There are much more teams, which can achieve something in any other team sport.


What about handball, between 1990 and 2000 only Russia and Sweden could win and today it is even worse only France.

Basketball has only "big" 4.. Spain, Serbia, Greece and Russia no one else can win. And very littel cares about basketball in Russia. Sometimes LTU play semifinal.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:13 pm

Why is it that the best vollyball club in europ only has 2.5 milion euro budget ?. Compare with hockey ST Petersburg 180 milion euros budget. Partizan playd F4 in basketball 2 milion euro budget, Cibona from Zagreb has no fans shown by statistics only 2500 fans per match.

Here is the explenation, cheak out vollyball spectators statistics in CL.
http://www.cev.lu/mmp/online/website/ma ... ex_EN.html
http://www.cev.lu/mmp/online/website/ma ... 07_EN.html
http://www.cev.lu/mmp/online/website/ma ... 09_EN.html
http://www.cev.lu/mmp/online/website/ma ... 08_EN.html
http://www.cev.lu/mmp/online/website/ma ... 08_EN.html
http://www.cev.lu/mmp/online/website/ma ... 09_EN.html

EC in Turkey no spectators at all, WC in Japan no spectators at all.

Only Poland and Brazil cares.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby karel » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:35 pm

Staffan wrote:
Only Poland and Brazil cares.

You are real tough guy, aren't you? :D
You forgot about Italy, Serbia, Russia, Turkey (female volleyball), Cuba, Argentina, Venezuela, China, Japan (they are crazy about their own team only, but still....) Bulgaria, Finland, Belgium, Greece etc, etc.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:53 pm

And still no one make the travel to watch own team on EC and WC and 35 spectators show up for a CL match in Sofia :D

Final4 in Prag 8.000 spactators in a arena with capacity 16.000.

Budgets are also based on TV viewers.

I am not any vollyball expert but it didint take me long time to figure out why such small budgets in Vollyball. Thank you internet :D

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby GjorcePetrovFan » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:48 am

Staffan wrote:Seem like they had very littel use of internet in Macedonia. Did you watch same league matches from France or Great Britian ?, about 20.000 - 25.000 fans every match and in nations like Romania, Italy, etc, very popular..

Handball aint that big as we all want it to be. I wish it wos different.


Don't you worry about the use of internet in Macedonia...I see no reason to search the internet for statistics for sports that honestly, I couldn't care less about...
Also, statistics do not necessarily show the popularity of a certain sport...For example, here, the average attendance at a football match is less than 1000 people...Does that mean that football here is not popular? Of course not...

Staffan wrote:And still no one make the travel to watch own team on EC and WC and 35 spectators show up for a CL match in Sofia.


This has nothing to do with the popularity of the sport...I'd love to go and watch our girls in Brasil, but not everyone can afford such a trip.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:50 pm

I posted vollyball CL links above. Sofia playd home match in CL how far can it be for the fans to make the travel when they play at home ;)

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Mixball » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:28 pm

Staffan wrote:Tre Kronor (Nick Name of Swedish Icehockey national team)

IIHF World Championship

Gold 1953
Gold 1957
Gold 1952
Gold 1987
Gold 1991
Gold 1992
Gold 1998
Gold 2006
Silver: 47, 51, 63, 64, 67, 69, 70, 73, 77, 81, 86, 90, 93, 95, 97, 03, 04
Bronze: 52, 54, 58, 65, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 79, 94, 01, 02, 09, 10

Anything but gold for "tre kronor" would then be a total flop I guess. :-"

I just remembered some years ago the Swedish goalie that dropped the ball behind him and it went down his back into goal and Sweden was out. Was it against Belarus ans was it a WC or OG, I don't recall.
Then Mr. and Mrs. Nice Swede suddenly became Balkan fanatics. I really felt sorry for the guy, since Sweden on papir was far better and the loss was due to a team collapse. It reminded me of the Danish fatal passing of Jesper Olsen back in soccer WC 1986. But as I recall Danes didn't go malicious, - he just got to be a mockery. Years after everytime a player did a fatal pass like that it was referred as a "Jesper Olsen".

Icehockey is still too predictive imo. We need those Swedes to make some surprising loses, -say against ex. Denmark, to make it more exiting, :)
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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:32 pm

We have a lot of succes in Olympics too.

IIHF World Championship

Gold 1953
Gold 1957
Gold 1952
Gold 1987
Gold 1991
Gold 1992
Gold 1998
Gold 2006
Silver: 47, 51, 63, 64, 67, 69, 70, 73, 77, 81, 86, 90, 93, 95, 97, 03, 04
Bronze: 52, 54, 58, 65, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 79, 94, 01, 02, 09, 10

Olympics

Gold 1994
Gold 2006
Silver 1964
Bronze: 52,80,84,88

Ice Hockey European Championships (1910-1932)

Gold 1921
Gold 1923
Gold 1932
Siver, 22,23

Canada Cup (World Cup)
Bronze 84, Bronze 87, Bronze 96,

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:40 pm

Anything but gold for "tre kronor" would then be a total flop I guess.

I just remembered some years ago the Swedish goalie that dropped the ball behind him and it went down his back into goal and Sweden was out. Was it against Belarus ans was it a WC or OG, I don't recall.
Then Mr. and Mrs. Nice Swede suddenly became Balkan fanatics. I really felt sorry for the guy, since Sweden on papir was far better and the loss was due to a team collapse. It reminded me of the Danish fatal passing of Jesper Olsen back in soccer WC 1986. But as I recall Danes didn't go malicious, - he just got to be a mockery. Years after everytime a player did a fatal pass like that it was referred as a "Jesper Olsen".

Icehockey is still too predictive imo. We need those Swedes to make some surprising loses, -say against ex. Denmark, to make it more exiting,



Ye name is Tommy Salo. Hockey is mega giga big in Sweden (might be understandable with all the nice results for the past 100 years)

I mean people still haress him 9 years later :shock: would not even happen to a football player.

The first years were difficult for him in elitserien all away fans made fool of Salo.

We destroyd Canada just before the 1/4 clash with BLS. All our players playd in NHL most of them NHL stars BLS with only 1 NHL player at the time Ruslan Salei. Prob the biggest hockey suprise ever.

But anyway this dont happen every day to our team ;)

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:59 pm

This is the sweetest win ever.

Destroyd speaker :p
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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Mixball » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:14 pm

Staffan wrote:
Anything but gold for "tre kronor" would then be a total flop I guess.

I just remembered some years ago the Swedish goalie that dropped the ball behind him and it went down his back into goal and Sweden was out. Was it against Belarus ans was it a WC or OG, I don't recall.
Then Mr. and Mrs. Nice Swede suddenly became Balkan fanatics. I really felt sorry for the guy, since Sweden on papir was far better and the loss was due to a team collapse. It reminded me of the Danish fatal passing of Jesper Olsen back in soccer WC 1986. But as I recall Danes didn't go malicious, - he just got to be a mockery. Years after everytime a player did a fatal pass like that it was referred as a "Jesper Olsen".

Icehockey is still too predictive imo. We need those Swedes to make some surprising loses, -say against ex. Denmark, to make it more exiting,



Ye name is Tommy Salo. Hockey is mega giga big in Sweden (might be understandable with all the nice results for the past 100 years)

I mean people still haress him 9 years later :shock: would not even happen to a football player.

The first years were difficult for him in elitserien all away fans made fool of Salo.

We destroyd Canada just before the 1/4 clash with BLS. All our players playd in NHL most of them NHL stars BLS with only 1 NHL player at the time Ruslan Salei. Prob the biggest hockey suprise ever.

But anyway this dont happen every day to our team ;)

Dropped the puck, not ball, of course. #-o
Thx, Tommy Salo, yes now I remember. And he was also a great keeper at that time I recall. And you haven't even forgiven the guy yet. :(
It is the same old story on big stars being to happy and fed up in their clubs to even consider making some effort at NT level. Sometimes it's better to bring young talented players that are much more hungry for succes to WC or OG if possible imo.
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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:31 pm

Mikkel Boedker scord a nice goals last night for Phoenix. You have improved a lot lately today you have like 6-7 NHL players and a lot of players in elitserien.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:45 pm

LG Hockey Games

Russia 4 ( 1 1 2 )
Czech Republic 2 ( 1 0 1 )

Sweden 3 ( 0 1 1 0 1 )
Finland 2 ( 1 0 1 0 0 )


Sweden won LG hockey games by beating Finland 3-2 in the final. We also beat Russia 6-2 and Czech Republic 5-1.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Wbk » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:23 pm

Two weeks ago, at 4-nations tournament Slovakia Cup, arena in Bratislava welcomed first fans after its pre-WCh reconstruction.

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More photos: http://hokej.sme.sk/c/5761916/bratislav ... tavbe.html

But the most interesting fact about this "fantastic" arena is:
Construction costs: 96 000 000 € (capacity for ice hockey matches: 10 000, only reconstruction 2009-2011, only ice arena) = 8 600 € wasted for one place

Compare it with another similar new middle-eastern Europe arenas...

Riga Arena (Riga, LAT): 28 000 000 € (capacity for ice hockey matches: 10 300, new building opened in 2006, multifunction arena) = 2 718 € spent for one place
Siemens Arena (Vilinus, LTU): 28 000 000 € (capacity for ice hockey matches: 8 750, new building opened in 2004, multifunction arena) = 3 200 € spent for one place
Steel Arena* (Košice, SVK): 22 200 000 € (capacity for ice hockey matches: 8 437, 90% new building opened in 2006, multifunction arena) = 2 660 € spent for one place

*second venue for 2011 WCh


Now re-read it and take a think what's possible in our beautiful Slovakia...

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:14 am

10.000 arena maybe is to small for WC final ?.

Anyway will the Slovakia-Sweden handball match be playd in this arena or in Bratislava arena with almost the same capacity.

PS ! why is it that this arena is so expensive ? i mean arena in LTU looks more modern than this one and still only 28 milion euros :shock: . I would say that Riga arena is prity much the same as this one.

Did you use some super expensive material or what is it that makes it so expensive ?.

I would build an arena as in LTU. Have a more moderna look and also much much much cheaper.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Wbk » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:37 pm

Staffan wrote:PS ! why is it that this arena is so expensive ?

Because some pockets in Slovakia are too big. Did you hear about cancelled deaflympic games 2011? If not, read some articles. And that's the same problem, some people just feel not rich enough. Huge money lost in nowhere belongs to Slovakia as so as wind-mills to Netherlands.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:48 pm

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You could build much better arena with 96 milion euro. Since they wasted so much money they should build a modern looking arena. I mean this arena looks like Hovet arena in Stockholm that is 65 years old.

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Postby Wbk » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:54 pm

Staffan wrote:You could build much better arena with 96 milion euro. Since they wasted so much money they should build a modern looking arena. I mean this arena looks like Hovet arena in Stockholm that is 65 years old.

The fact is we built it with 16 million euro, resting 80 million ended in such a Nowhere I noted earlier...

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Wbk » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:44 am

Today is the day, so let's go and welcome to the Ice hockey Republic everybody !

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:53 pm

Slovakia : Slovenia 3 : 1.

Sweden : Norway later today. We have 63 NHL players, 58 players rejected to play WC. :evil: But still I expect at least semifinal.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:28 pm

Norway : Sweden 5 : 4 :) what the hell.

Worst of all Norway media celebrate like they won world cup in football or something -).

And no one mention that we miss 58 NHL players, 14 KHL players and even players from our elitserien has told no thanks to the world cup, players like Davidsson and Liv. Never happened before that our europ PRO players told no thanks.

Tipical Norway and shows how pathethic sport nation they are :D .

This world cup seems to have lost the status at least among our players, no one cares about it they want to spend some time with kids and girls.

Winter olympic the only world cup.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Staffan » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:32 pm

They beat our C-Team not even C more like D-Team or something full with juniors and still think thet are better than us ](*,)

Something is very wrong with people from Norway.

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby karel » Sun May 01, 2011 11:13 am

OK, Staffan, I know - you lack many class players in your team. But what did you expect? That Norwegians would be sad with victory over you? No matter who plays in Swedish team - they play as SWEDEN in WORLD Championships and I'm not surprised with the joy in Norway. Does it happen often that Norway beat Sweden in ice hockey? I don't think so...
I suppose we would celebrate victory over Sweden in Poland as well, even if you had wheelchair team or something :lol: (we beat you in Calgary 88' 1:0 last time, but the result was postponed after some not allowed substance had been found in the blood of one of our players)
However - I think Sweden will take better place in this tournament than Norway and NOR-SWE result won't change it. It's ice hockey and the results in group phase have no big meaning...

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Re: 2011 Icehockey world championships - Slovakia

Postby Wbk » Sun May 01, 2011 12:36 pm

karel wrote: Does it happen often that Norway beat Sweden in ice hockey?

This was the first Norwegian victory against Sweden after 61 years :lol: , and this statistic including U18 and U20 championships as well :)


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