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Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Corbantis » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:18 am

My prediction:

Buxtehuder SV (GER) vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea (ROU) 20-80
Hypo NÖ (AUT) vs Randers HK (DEN) 60-40
U Jolidon Cluj (ROU) vs Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN) 10-90
Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) 40-60
HC Podravka Vegeta (CRO) vs RK Krim Mercator (SLO) 50-50
FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN) vs Larvik (NOR) 50-50
IK Sävehof (SWE) vs Dinamo Volgograd (RUS) 60-40
Viborg HK (DEN) vs Buducnost (MNE) 40-60



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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby treideca44 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:38 am

Buxtehuder SV vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea -4

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Hypo NÖ vs Randers HK +3

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U Jolidon Cluj vs Györi Audi ETO KC -3

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Zvezda Zvenigorod vs Thüringer HC x

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HC Podravka Vegeta vs RK Krim Mercator -1

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FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria vs Larvik -2

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IK Sävehof vs Dinamo Volgograd -1

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Viborg HK vs Buducnost x

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Bo$ko » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:18 am

Buxtehuder - Oltchim Valcea 20-80 / Nothing to add here...
Hypo NÖ - Randers HK 60-40 / Even match but Hypo has to win.

U Jolidon Cluj - Györi Audi ETO KC 30-70 / ETO will be better and better.
Podravka Vegeta - Krim Mercator 60-40 / Podravka must win, here is their chance for Main Round.

FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria - Larvik 51-49 / Match of the week. FTC a slim favourite because of crowd, but LHK with Gro will shine again. :)
IK Sävehof - Dinamo Volgograd 49-51 / Dinamo the biggest disappointment so far... This will be CWC fight.

Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) 51-49 / Zvezda totally unready and in bad form, quite weak display from reinforcements, they have to win.
Viborg HK (DEN) vs Budućnost (MNE) 40-60 / Perfect timing for first break points for Budućnost. Even if they lost one back player in rotation, Budućnost is in better form and with Bojana's recipe for VHK.
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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Galpa » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:10 pm

Buxtehuder SV (GER) vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea (ROU) -5

Hypo NÖ (AUT) vs Randers HK (DEN) +6

U Jolidon Cluj (ROU) vs Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN) -3

Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) -3

HC Podravka Vegeta (CRO) vs RK Krim Mercator (SLO) +1

FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN) vs Larvik (NOR) +2

IK Sävehof (SWE) vs Dinamo Volgograd (RUS) +1

Viborg HK (DEN) vs Buducnost (MNE) -2
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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:27 pm

Buxtehuder SV (GER) vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea (ROU) -6
Hypo NÖ (AUT) vs Randers HK (DEN) +5

U Jolidon Cluj (ROU) vs Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN) -3
Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) +1

HC Podravka Vegeta (CRO) vs RK Krim Mercator (SLO) +3
FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN) vs Larvik (NOR) +1

IK Sävehof (SWE) vs Dinamo Volgograd (RUS) +2
Viborg HK (DEN) vs Buducnost (MNE) +1
L. Hutupan-Dinu, V. Ardean-Elisei, Cristina Neagu, O. Manea, I. Stanca, M. Jovanovic, Y. Ozel, R. Maier.
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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Des57 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Buxtehuder SV (GER) vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea (ROU) difference of class
Hypo NÖ (AUT) vs Randers HK (DEN)

U Jolidon Cluj (ROU) vs Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN) Gyor one of the best
Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) I really dislike that idiot Zdravko Zovko

HC Podravka Vegeta (CRO) vs RK Krim Mercator (SLO)
FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN) vs Larvik (NOR) The game of the week,but the best playmaker out there is back in business

IK Sävehof (SWE) vs Dinamo Volgograd (RUS) After the first round Dinamo looked like the worst team in CL
Viborg HK (DEN) vs Buducnost (MNE) Buducnost play more as a team,and Clara will be once more superb

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Germanicus » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:52 pm

Buxtehude - Oltchim 5-95
Hypo - Randers 40-60

U - Győr 5-95
Zvezda - Thüringen 35-65

Podravka - Krim 60-40
Ferencváros - Larvik 40-60

Sävehof - Dinamo 60-40
Viborg - Buducnost 40-60
In conclusion, I declare that EHF must be destroyed

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Corbantis » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:22 am

Des57 wrote:Buxtehuder SV (GER) vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea (ROU) difference of class
Hypo NÖ (AUT) vs Randers HK (DEN)

U Jolidon Cluj (ROU) vs Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN) Gyor one of the best
Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) I really dislike that idiot Zdravko Zovko

HC Podravka Vegeta (CRO) vs RK Krim Mercator (SLO)
FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN) vs Larvik (NOR) The game of the week,but the best playmaker out there is back in business

IK Sävehof (SWE) vs Dinamo Volgograd (RUS) After the first round Dinamo looked like the worst team in CL
Viborg HK (DEN) vs Buducnost (MNE) Buducnost play more as a team,and Clara will be once more superb


Sorry, but the Best Playmaker is Anita Görbicz :-)

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby frenchy » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:03 am

Corbantis wrote:
Des57 wrote:Buxtehuder SV (GER) vs Oltchim Rm. Valcea (ROU) difference of class
Hypo NÖ (AUT) vs Randers HK (DEN)

U Jolidon Cluj (ROU) vs Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN) Gyor one of the best
Zvezda Zvenigorod (RUS) vs Thüringer HC (GER) I really dislike that idiot Zdravko Zovko

HC Podravka Vegeta (CRO) vs RK Krim Mercator (SLO)
FTC Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN) vs Larvik (NOR) The game of the week,but the best playmaker out there is back in business

IK Sävehof (SWE) vs Dinamo Volgograd (RUS) After the first round Dinamo looked like the worst team in CL
Viborg HK (DEN) vs Buducnost (MNE) Buducnost play more as a team,and Clara will be once more superb


Sorry, but the Best Playmaker is Anita Görbicz :-)





ABSOLUTELY !!! :D

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Des57 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:55 am

:D I knew that part will start some comments.Gorbicz is great,but for me Gro is the
best.She has a plus of power and a larger arsenal of shots.

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Galpa » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:28 am

Des57 wrote::D I knew that part will start some comments.Gorbicz is great,but for me Gro is the
best.She has a plus of power and a larger arsenal of shots.


Then next time you should write: my favourite playmaker is back in business! ;)

(Btw more powerful, better defence skills are OK but "larger arsenal of shots" => no way. Anyway I accept your opinion, different tastes, for example I wouldn't change Zácsik for Neagu. ;) )
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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Des57 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:47 am

Galpa wrote:
Des57 wrote:
Then next time you should write: my favourite playmaker is back in business! ;)


If we're looking at the best pm still playing I think it's between her and Anita.And in this duel she has the advantage of wining more,but with the chance of playing for a NT that had other great players.I wasn't that of :D .
It's not like saying Meirosu :D


About the final part you're right.It's a subjective choice.Happy to see different opinions

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby treideca44 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:43 pm

Galpa wrote:
for example I wouldn't change Zácsik for Neagu. ;) )


:lol: :lol: :D

It's a joke Galpa ?
you had an accident and you hit your head ?

i think and i hope that is a joke :)

if we talk about sex appeal, then I prefer Zácsik as you.
If we talk about handball, I wouldn't change any player from Oltchim for any player from Hungary league or NT(besides of Bradeanu or Pineau for Gorbicz).


However, yu're patriotic and i understand your opinions.
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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby barry.romania » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Sandra is beautiful, indeed. :lol: though ”găina bătrână face zeama bună”! :o Anita who is very charismatic... in many aspects! :roll:

Zácsik could develop into a player of Sulland`s level I suppose and I really hope. =D> nice kid.
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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Bob Rock » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:50 pm

I agree with Des57 that the best playmaker out there is back in business
:D
And cant wait to see Larvik and Gro playing Valcea, Buducnost or Gyori in later stages :)

Des57 wrote:
Galpa wrote:
Des57 wrote:
Then next time you should write: my favourite playmaker is back in business! ;)


If we're looking at the best pm still playing I think it's between her and Anita.And in this duel she has the advantage of wining more,but with the chance of playing for a NT that had other great players.I wasn't that of :D .
It's not like saying Meirosu :D


About the final part you're right.It's a subjective choice.Happy to see different opinions

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Marco Aurelio » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:02 pm

treideca44 wrote:If we talk about handball, I wouldn't change any player from Oltchim for any player from Hungary league or NT(besides of Bradeanu or Pineau for Gorbicz).


Just ask Tadici, what would he give to have a player like Tomori...

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Marco Aurelio » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:04 pm

barry.romania wrote:Zácsik could develop into a player of Sulland`s level I suppose and I really hope. =D> nice kid.


Beeing injury free, she is better than Sulland. In every aspects of the game.

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Esik » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:44 pm

Des57 wrote:
Galpa wrote:
Des57 wrote:
Then next time you should write: my favourite playmaker is back in business! ;)


If we're looking at the best pm still playing I think it's between her and Anita.And in this duel she has the advantage of wining more,but with the chance of playing for a NT that had other great players.I wasn't that of :D .
It's not like saying Meirosu :D


About the final part you're right.It's a subjective choice.Happy to see different opinions


If we're looking at the best pm still playing I think it's between her and Anita.And in this duel she has the advantage of wining more,but with the chance of playing for a NT that had other great players.I wasn't that of :D .
It's not like saying Meirosu :D


About the final part you're right.It's a subjective choice.Happy to see different opinions[/quote][/quote]

Gro is more like a back player who plays in the middle. Görbicz is a classic playmaker bar to none. As for their importance: when Görbicz did not play it was a huge drop off for Hungary in quality of playing and in results.

As for Gro: Norway won WCh and Olympics without her with the same efficient game, based on defense and fast breaks. She is lucky to be in great teams. If Görbicz has a bad game, Hungary usually suffers. If Gro: Norway do not even blink.

Would be interesting to see in an alternate universe what would have happened if they were changing sides.

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Esik » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:50 pm

Marco Aurelio wrote:
barry.romania wrote:Zácsik could develop into a player of Sulland`s level I suppose and I really hope. =D> nice kid.


Beeing injury free, she is better than Sulland. In every aspects of the game.


This unfortunately in her case could mean "never".

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby treideca44 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:43 am

Marco Aurelio wrote:
Just ask Tadici, what would he give to have a player like Tomori...


Tadici is Oltchim's coach ?

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Des57 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:20 am

Esik wrote:
Gro is more like a back player who plays in the middle. Görbicz is a classic playmaker bar to none. As for their importance: when Görbicz did not play it was a huge drop off for Hungary in quality of playing and in results.

As for Gro: Norway won WCh and Olympics without her with the same efficient game, based on defense and fast breaks. She is lucky to be in great teams. If Görbicz has a bad game, Hungary usually suffers. If Gro: Norway do not even blink.

Would be interesting to see in an alternate universe what would have happened if they were changing sides.


In many ways you're right.Norway won with Gro and continued to win without her,but it's also important how.We all know what happened in the OG final.
Larvik won CL with her in the team and with other great players.In the last year's season Larvik was defeated by 11 in the semis,by 9 in the MR against Gyor,FCM won against them by 7 and so on.The reasons Loke left club,Mork injured,and Gro out.
Many believe that Gro had the chance of being in great teams and Anita didn't.IMO that's not true.Yes Norway has a great NT that dominates women's handball but don't forget that great Hungary team.I remember when Gyor lost the CL final against Viborg by 1,so that team was great even without her.Last year she was in the best team of CL and still lost the final.So Gorbicz also had the chance of playing in great
teams.One other thing Hungary had and still has great players.so why didn't they win not a single medal in last 7 years?Both players are great,Gro has won more but not only because she played in better teams.

About Zacsik being better than Sulland.She has great potential but for now Linn has two levels over her.

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Marco Aurelio » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:52 am

Des57 wrote:

About Zacsik being better than Sulland.She has great potential but for now Linn has two levels over her.


Zácsik is better shooter from outside than Sulland , better in breakthrough and in combination plays. Sulland only has the advantage of the left hand, that is the only thing that rates her high. + she usually plays against the weaker defensive side of the opposite team (f.e. against Görbicz when playing against ETO). I'd really love to say, let's see a battle between them in the weekend, but Zácsik now plays having an injury, so not on her 100% at all.

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby Marco Aurelio » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:00 am

treideca44 wrote:
Marco Aurelio wrote:
Just ask Tadici, what would he give to have a player like Tomori...


Tadici is Oltchim's coach ?


No, but his answer to the question would be interesting I believe since Oltchim has some Romanian players also...

Saying that Oltchim's every player is better than anyone in the complete Hungarian NT + league combined (and the only tradeable would be Bradeanu or Pineau for Görbicz) can be hardly called objective. I only picked one name to show how weak that argument is.

But FTC fans can also say, that the only players from Oltchim they would like to have for their teams are Bulatovic and Navarro :)

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby treideca44 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:57 am

Marco Aurelio wrote:
treideca44 wrote:
Marco Aurelio wrote:
Just ask Tadici, what would he give to have a player like Tomori...


Tadici is Oltchim's coach ?


No, but his answer to the question would be interesting I believe since Oltchim has some Romanian players also...

Saying that Oltchim's every player is better than anyone in the complete Hungarian NT + league combined (and the only tradeable would be Bradeanu or Pineau for Görbicz) can be hardly called objective. I only picked one name to show how weak that argument is.



Ok, however...i prefer Bradeanu or Pineau more than Tomori...I think Jakob has the same opinion.

Marco Aurelio wrote:But FTC fans can also say, that the only players from Oltchim they would like to have for their teams are Bulatovic and Navarro :)


This is not bad, but Neagu, Nechita, Managarova, Jovanovic, Barbosa, Manea ? just 6 examples of players which are with 3 classes better than any player from FTC :) :D

I'm sure that Oltchim's fans wouldn't like any player from FTC.

I dont hate Hungarians or FTC, but this is the reality. You are too euphoric after some good results, but remember... your team has played with just one huge team (Oltchim), but was a FRIENDLY MATCH, FIRST MATCH FOR THE NEW OLTCHIM.

So, take it easy hungarians, FTC is just a good team, NOT a big team.

I respect Hungary, Ferencvaros, Gyor, hungarian peoples...i respect your country...but nothing more :)

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Re: Champions League 2012/13 Group Stage R2

Postby tekkie » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:23 am

I have a feeling this "my dad is better than your dad" thing could go on for ages :) We have a chance of watching the best players do their thing, regardless of the teams they're playing for, why not enjoy that? :)

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