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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby HB9 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:17 am

Doru Delavale wrote:
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Doru Delavale wrote:And is Germany, right ? :roll:

What has the championship being in Germany got to do with the ihf website being unusable?


This is an ancient Pontus Pilat typically reply ...if German Handball Federation and german organizers knew IHF isn't able to do right some things than was OK to decline the offert to organize WHC and let Burundi to do it and not associate german culture of doing honestly almost perfect things to this..... :-k

Ok #-o


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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby HB9 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:27 am

@Faith - I don't think this is official in any way. :-k
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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Faith » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:23 pm

HB9 wrote:@Faith - I don't think this is official in any way. :-k


It seemed so professional... I'm too naive :lol: I have already corrected it!

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby power » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:14 pm

Lots of surprises so far. Bad Netherlands, Japan is flying :) .....

About Hungary...

Our girls are underperforming again.If they finally start to play on the level they can, they could beat anyone with the exception of Norway.The question is will they start to show what they can do or not? We will see. As for the bad performance,why is that?

It happens, because it seems Rasmussen is still experimenting with the team.Putting players into different positions(where they are not comfortable)in every match.Making new tactics for every match.Constantly rotating, if someone is missing just one shot, he calls her off immediately, so on....

I hope he will finish that from now. Anyway, before the tournament he said that the team will be ready for the next Euro and also said that on this WC he wants the girls to be in top shape from the knockout stages and not during group matches.

So,let's see.A bad start and a God finish is better than a good start and bad finish. All they need to do is to make it to best 16.(which I have no doubt they will do)and the WC will really start from there.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Mixball » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:29 pm

power wrote:Lots of surprises so far. Bad Netherlands, Japan is flying :) .....

About Hungary...

Our girls are underperforming again.If they finally start to play on the level they can, they could beat anyone with the exception of Norway.The question is will they start to show what they can do or not? We will see. As for the bad performance,why is that?

It happens, because it seems Rasmussen is still experimenting with the team.Putting players into different positions(where they are not comfortable)in every match.Making new tactics for every match.Constantly rotating, if someone is missing just one shot, he calls her off immediately, so on....

I hope he will finish that from now. Anyway, before the tournament he said that the team will be ready for the next Euro and also said that on this WC he wants the girls to be in top shape from the knockout stages and not during group matches.

So,let's see.A bad start and a God finish is better than a good start and bad finish. All they need to do is to make it to best 16.(which I have no doubt they will do)and the WC will really start from there.

He said in an interview that he has problems with players doing just opposite what he dictates in a degree he never experienced before - and he don't know why this is happening. That indicates there is no consensus about playing style and thus no team I'm afraid. He could be off very soon imo. :-"
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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Gojira » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:40 pm

power wrote:Lots of surprises so far. Bad Netherlands, Japan is flying :) .....

About Hungary...

[b]Our girls are underperforming again.[/b]If they finally start to play on the level they can, they could beat anyone with the exception of Norway.The question is will they start to show what they can do or not? We will see. As for the bad performance,why is that?

It happens, because it seems Rasmussen is still experimenting with the team.Putting players into different positions(where they are not comfortable)in every match.Making new tactics for every match.Constantly rotating, if someone is missing just one shot, he calls her off immediately, so on....

I hope he will finish that from now. Anyway, before the tournament he said that the team will be ready for the next Euro and also said that on this WC he wants the girls to be in top shape from the knockout stages and not during group matches.

So,let's see.A bad start and a God finish is better than a good start and bad finish. All they need to do is to make it to best 16.(which I have no doubt they will do)and the WC will really start from there.

If it's again then maybe we are the ones who misjudged them. Of course, the game management of the bald one doesn't help a bit.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby vlad_impaler » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:04 pm

power wrote:If Hungary finally start to play on the level they can, they could beat anyone with the exception of Norway.The question is will they start to show what they can do or not? We will see. As for the bad performance,why is that?

It happens, because it seems Rasmussen is still experimenting with the team.Putting players into different positions(where they are not comfortable)in every match.Making new tactics for every match.Constantly rotating, if someone is missing just one shot, he calls her off immediately, so on....


I don't think that, but I respect your opinion. Although it's totally true Rasmussen also doesn't make them play at 100%. If he will miss another final tournament (failure), he will almost be like Tadici. I think Hungary can beat many teams if they play at 100%, but I don't think they can be constant. For the semifinals you must beat 2 solid opponents in a row. For a medal, you must beat 3. At Euro, it's even harder. You lose 2 games, your chances are 50-50% to play the semi.

We will see if he is still experimenting, he had time. Previous tournament plus friendlies and qualifications.

But honestly I wish you the best! Not against us, but I wouldn't mind the final to be between us. 8:)

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Doru Delavale » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:29 pm

If Norway win group B ,and I think they will, then...... only A1 and A3 will avoid Norway in round of 16 - QF - SF so is not a big deal to be A2 (possible to meet Norway in SF) if, of course win "16" and QF.... Perhaps the last round matches of the groups will be affected by who to whom will be favourable to meet.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:26 pm

Wbk wrote:
erikblom wrote:
Wbk wrote:Their current squad in preparation:

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No Natalia Bernardo?

She also missed this year's previous actions of the team - they say due to personal reasons.


According to this, she is pregnant.
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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Scheersberg » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:45 pm

Flash wrote:Left 1 day - Summary :)

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Looking at the schedule above and realising that Norway looks the strongest team so far I can imagine the result of the tomorrow games will depend on the schedule above.
D2 seems more atractive than D1, same is true for C3 when compared with C2 etc. assuming you want the meet Norway as late as possible in the tournament and you think you have a reasonable chance to beat any other opponent in the KO phase.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby catalin82 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 pm

The ko part is almost another thing.
The teams in 3 or 4 place more dangerous than others, for example Hungary and so on .
Ok not for Nor :D

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby swarthofole » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Szucs replaced Zamfirescu (Romania). That's a bit strange imho (if Zamfirescu is not injured). Of course we need Gabriella's defensive skills, but I know at least one other player suitable for replacement.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby mikh » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:08 pm

Yes, it's good Szucs will be fresh for the second part of the competition. That was a good call to keep her as jolly. My only question is why do we still have 3 LPs if we're only using one. Then again, Martin's call, so let's see what happens.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby red and white » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:52 pm

Just a few thoughts on Denmark´s performance so far now that the group stage is over.

Klavs Bruun Jørgensen deserves a chapter for himself, cause there is so much to say about his tactics. I´m less critical of him than what I have been previously, but still he fails to make some very obvious changes in the team. First and foremost, our starting lineup should not be with Tranborg and Haugsted on the backs. Not when we have solid alternatives on the bench, Burgaard gets no playing time and Line Jørgensen has been doing significantly better than Tranborg when given the chance. Additionally, our rightwings are not put into use at all. When asked about this problem by the TV-experts, Klavs very stubbornly replied that he won´t change a thing and he trusts his starting lineup. However, he has made some wise changes since he started - he no longer insists that we practice a very offensive defense and he is starting to use the bench a bit more. The girls really seem to trust and believe in him though, which is important.

Individually, Sandra Toft has played a good championship so far and Stine Jørgensen is doing alright as well. Most positive surprise is our pivots Sarah Iversen and Kathrine Heindahl who are both doing really well. Heindahl is a beast in attack and rarely misses, 22 goals on 26 shots. We miss Anne Mette Hansen more than I expected, because Haugsted is not performing and AM is the breakthrough player we are missing. She and Mie Højlund would have benefitted the team greatly.

The matches against Russia and Montenegro show that there is still a long way to go, but I think we have a decent chance against the Germans in the eightfinals.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby vlad_impaler » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:04 pm

@ Red and white

If Klavs would have been in group A, he would have been eliminated already. Can you see Denmark beating Romania, France, Spain and Angola? You would have fight with Slovenia.

Imagine, look at your squad actually! You have a very good squad, very solid players that aren't playing more than average. He skips Line Joergensen who is even better than Burgaard, and plays with Tranborg. I agree Tranborg is young, solid and can also play defence and has a great potential, she should have been in the squad but at the moment isn't the best RB. Unfortunately for her and that heavy competition, she is third now. But I can praise her for taking his chances in attack, look at Burgaard who isn't playing anything special, she is way too passive. Burgaard who was great in CL, I mean not fantastic but in her best shape ever.

I would say many players are unperforming, including Grigel. So your play is also bad, plus Klavs doesn't rotate with Kristina Kristiansen and the RBs. KK was very solid in CL, she deserves also to play, not just an average Grigel. Grigel is a nice player (although don't image she is as great as Oftedal, that's why she plays in Debrecen where is still MVP though), but she plays exactly like the team. Plus some are even playing worse.

This is my point. Plus Iversen would also deserve more minutes, I believe she is better than Heindahl.

You beat Tunisia, Japan and Brazil. Lost clearly to Montenegro and Russia. And Montenegro didn't look to good in Germany imo (with an ok squad). Because Adzic is not training them anymore.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm

OltchimRmValcea wrote:Group B (the toughest one)
1. NOR - I expect to lose some point(s) in this group but also to win championship. again :roll:
2. HUN - Kim is a specialist in world cup and HUN should be a hard nut to crack this time
3. SWE - don't know how strong they are
4. POL - very solid in friendlies (not sure how reliable is)
Czech Republic is a nice team, but I think they had bad luck.


I should have shut up my mouth. :D
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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:25 am

OltchimRmValcea wrote:
OltchimRmValcea wrote:Group B (the toughest one)
1. NOR - I expect to lose some point(s) in this group but also to win championship. again :roll:
2. HUN - Kim is a specialist in world cup and HUN should be a hard nut to crack this time
3. SWE - don't know how strong they are
4. POL - very solid in friendlies (not sure how reliable is)
Czech Republic is a nice team, but I think they had bad luck.


I should have shut up my mouth. :D
CZE looks really good. :|


Norway lost accidentally points. Then, it's very hard to win 4 tough games in a row for anybody.

Sure, Hungary is a hard nut, below average team that will be woken up by still a pretty average France. But France has Darleux, a left back, a Lacrabere with experience, a solid pivot and good wings. Plus Niombla can also show up. We shouldn't also exclude Pineau. Plus France can improve. We will see if they will, but in my opinion even if they will look good against Hungary, it will be because of the opponent. That path is anyway filled by average teams. Maybe just Sweden are different, if they play like tonight.

You will see where Hungary stands against France. Moreover, Czech Republic is the poorest team present in the Round of 16. But I do enjoy Jerabkova. Czech Republic needs a coach. This Czech coach thaught them to play healthy, but they are doing way too many mistakes. Because they can't learn from him how to deal with this kind of top class opposition.

I don't have anything against Hungary, in fact I supported them today, but they play a very mediocre handball.

Let's recap Rasmussen's work (although I respect this man for CSM):

* didn't stand a chance against Czech Republic and Denmark at Euro, but qualified from 3rd place to the Main Groups after a win over Montenegro B; does better in MR groups, losing by 1 against Norway and drawing surprisingly against Russia, but got demolished by Romania; 12 place out of 16 teams
* this time in Germany 2017, he had a lot of time to prepare the NT since he was not also a club coach; what did he get until now? clear loss to Norway (could have been +16-18 imo easily for the Norwegians but they stopped), loss against a very mediocre Sweden (maybe Oltchim friend didn't watch Sweden before how mediocrally they played), wins against Poland and Czech Republic (that's not much considering Hungary has a very powerful championship); so nothing special at the World Championship... and if he will lose to France, he will imo, they will end maximum 11th!

I don't think Hungary are playing bad, but their fans are having expectations. The squad is far from perfect, but also not mediocre at all. Rasmussen should bring them to top 8 at least, otherwise they will be unsatisfied. Probably some Hungarians think they can still reach medals with these players, but they are delusional with all due respect. They need time and a lot of work. Rasmussen could be the right coach, but until now he can't beat Sweden or couldn't beat Czech Republic before. I didn't watch the game against Poland, but against Sweden with many mistakes, they were not even close. Czech Republic were too poor, Hungary normally could have won by +7-8 easily but they had no constancy.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Marco Aurelio » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:34 am

vlad_impaler wrote:
I don't think Hungary are playing bad, but their fans are having expectations. The squad is far from perfect, but also not mediocre at all. Rasmussen should bring them to top 8 at least, otherwise they will be unsatisfied. Probably some Hungarians think they can still reach medals with these players, but they are delusional with all due respect. They need time and a lot of work. Rasmussen could be the right coach, but until now he can't beat Sweden or couldn't beat Czech Republic before. I didn't watch the game against Poland, but against Sweden with many mistakes, they were not even close. Czech Republic were too poor, Hungary normally could have won by +7-8 easily but they had no constancy.


I think the best thing is for the girls that the fans actually do not have expectations, except not see absolute crap handball.
Everybody knows that we miss Tomori, so our central defense is poor, Szucsánszki is like 50% recovered, we have the worst pivots possible (Mészáros maybe, Máyers fitness level rubbish, Kisfaludy is not international level at all), etc.
But we have 2 rock solid keepers that on a good day can make the difference. And who knows, Zácsik shoved some signs yesterday that her plane has arrived to the tournament. And IF she is on a good day, we can beat any team.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Gojira » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:48 am

Marco Aurelio wrote:
vlad_impaler wrote:
I don't think Hungary are playing bad, but their fans are having expectations. The squad is far from perfect, but also not mediocre at all. Rasmussen should bring them to top 8 at least, otherwise they will be unsatisfied. Probably some Hungarians think they can still reach medals with these players, but they are delusional with all due respect. They need time and a lot of work. Rasmussen could be the right coach, but until now he can't beat Sweden or couldn't beat Czech Republic before. I didn't watch the game against Poland, but against Sweden with many mistakes, they were not even close. Czech Republic were too poor, Hungary normally could have won by +7-8 easily but they had no constancy.


I think the best thing is for the girls that the fans actually do not have expectations, except not see absolute crap handball.
Everybody knows that we miss Tomori, so our central defense is poor, Szucsánszki is like 50% recovered, we have the worst pivots possible (Mészáros maybe, Máyers fitness level rubbish, Kisfaludy is not international level at all), etc.
But we have 2 rock solid keepers that on a good day can make the difference. And who knows, Zácsik shoved some signs yesterday that her plane has arrived to the tournament. And IF she is on a good day, we can beat any team.

I disagree regarding pivots. Kisfaludy is not so bad as usually claimed, Mészáros is quite good. Of course, they are not the best, but I've seen quite a few worse pivots even in this WCh. Mayer is another case, she is absolute garbage - not just her fitness level. It is uncomprehensible that she is in the NT.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Marco Aurelio » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:54 am

Kisfaludy is so slow, that in her turning time to face the keeper even I would get to the 6m line from Budapest to stop her. Against Edwige and Ayglon she will only play hida and seek if getting opportunity to play. I just hope at least she won't start with 2 attack fouls like against Poland.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 pm

Gojira wrote:

I think the best thing is for the girls that the fans actually do not have expectations, except not see absolute crap handball.
Everybody knows that we miss Tomori, so our central defense is poor, Szucsánszki is like 50% recovered, we have the worst pivots possible (Mészáros maybe, Máyers fitness level rubbish, Kisfaludy is not international level at all), etc.
But we have 2 rock solid keepers that on a good day can make the difference. And who knows, Zácsik shoved some signs yesterday that her plane has arrived to the tournament. And IF she is on a good day, we can beat any team.

I disagree regarding pivots. Kisfaludy is not so bad as usually claimed, Mészáros is quite good. Of course, they are not the best, but I've seen quite a few worse pivots even in this WCh. Mayer is another case, she is absolute garbage - not just her fitness level. It is uncomprehensible that she is in the NT.[/quote]

Erd girls are very solid, Kisfaludy is a very solid pivot, I already praised her. I don't know why Marco doesn't like her. Biro improved, but in fact Janurik is the regular now. This will make Biro to be ambitious. The problems are the backs imo. Not the wings which are good, not the goalkepeers and not the pivot Kisfaludy (the others are as poor as in the many last years). If you find backs, you have a team that can fight for medals. Btw Klivinyi brings a plus. What I don't like is when Zacsik Sandra shoots from 15 meters. Rasmussen should teach them to play more technical handball.

At some moments, I liked that Hungary played effective handball, kept playing handball even from behind. But I wonder what will happen against a top opponent.

Just a thing, they could keep Rasmussen even for 2018, even if he fails but in fact look at Tadici. He destroyed us 3 tournaments, and when Ryde came he brought bronze. Then Ambros got fifth. I am just saying, Hungary should be in top 8, this should be an ambitious objective. Realistic? I don't know but you cannot be Hungary and to return with 12th again. Your girls play in a very good league. The Danish was brought to make them play better.

Marco Aurelio wrote:Kisfaludy is so slow, that in her turning time to face the keeper even I would get to the 6m line from Budapest to stop her. Against Edwige and Ayglon she will only play hida and seek if getting opportunity to play. I just hope at least she won't start with 2 attack fouls like against Poland.


She isn't played enough imo. In fact because the quality of the pivots was strange in such a great country of handball, maybe they played less with them. When she had the ball, she scored.

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Czech complaints

Postby vlad_impaler » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:20 am

Czech Republic are complaining about the organisers. They needed to take the train to Leipzig (350 km). Because the organisers wanted to move them from Bietigheim-Bissingen to Lepzig by plane AT 4 AM, so in the middle of the night.

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Gojira » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:00 pm

Marco Aurelio wrote:Kisfaludy is so slow, that in her turning time to face the keeper even I would get to the 6m line from Budapest to stop her. Against Edwige and Ayglon she will only play hida and seek if getting opportunity to play. I just hope at least she won't start with 2 attack fouls like against Poland.

Mayer is even slower. And more stupid, considering her unnecessary fouls. Anyway, it seems that we will not agree on this point :D

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Silviu » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:49 pm

@all: is there an official place where I can read black on white what are the criteria used to establish the ranking of teams from 5th to 16th place? As usual, the "Regulations for IHF Competitions" posted on Pharaoh Moustafa's website are outdated.
Many thanks in advance!

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Re: 2017 World Championship - Germany

Postby Wbk » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:30 pm

Silviu wrote:@all: is there an official place where I can read black on white what are the criteria used to establish the ranking of teams from 5th to 16th place? As usual, the "Regulations for IHF Competitions" posted on Pharaoh Moustafa's website are outdated.
Many thanks in advance!

If fact, the regulations' version currently uploaded on the IHF's website is foredated, that version is going to be in force since 2018 events.

And here's the answer to your question according to the rules still valid for the 2017 WCh:

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