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2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Bo$ko » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:04 am

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Group matches pots announced

Following the confirmation of the teams for the next season of the DELO WOMEN’S EHF Champions League the European Handball Federation has released the seeding for the group matches draw.

The draw will be hosted by the Erste Campus in Vienna on Thursday 27 June (18:00 hrs). The event will be streamed live on ehfTV, the competition’s Facebook page and the ehfTV YouTube channel.

One ticket from the qualification

Qualification will be played on 6-8 September in one tournament, a winner of which will be awarded with a place in the group matches.

As there is just one tournament this season, there is no need for a qualification draw and the semi-final pairings have been determined by the seeding list. Rocasa Gran Canaria will meet DHK Banik Most and Kastamonu GSK will take on ZORK Jagodina.

However, on Wednesday 26 June at 11:00 hrs the organisation rights for the tournament will be drawn.

Defending champions in Pot 1

The group matches draw will follow on Thursday 27 June with the event starting at 18:00 hrs local time.

15 directly seeded teams plus one qualification group’ winner will be divided into four pots of four teams. Teams will not be able to face opponents from the same country in the group, therefore the teams from the fourth pot will be allocated to the first possible group from A to D.

Györi Audi ETO KC, the defending champions, are seeded in the first pot together with two other participants of the DELO WOMEN’S EHF FINAL4 2019, Rostov-Don and Metz Handball. The new Romanian champion SCM Rm Valcea is the fourth team in Pot 1.

Group Matches Draw

Pot 1
Metz Handball (FRA)
Györi Audi ETO KC (HUN)
SCM Rm Valcea (ROU)
Rostov-Don (RUS)

Pot 2
Team Esbjerg (DEN)
Budućnost (MNE)
Vipers Kristiansand (NOR)
RK Krim Mercator (SLO)

Pot 3
RK Podravka Vegeta (CRO)
SG BBM Bietigheim (GER)
MKS Perla Lublin (POL)
IK Sävehof (SWE)

Pot 4
FTC-Rail Cargo Hungaria (HUN)
CSM Bucuresti (ROU)
Brest Bretagne Handball (FRA)
Qualifier

Qualification tournament (6-8 September)
Semi-finals:
Rocasa Gran Canaria (ESP) vs DHK Banik Most (CZE)
Kastamonu GSK (TUR) vs ZORK Jagodina (SRB)


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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Doru Delavale » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:11 am

I would like to qualify Gran Canaria.... :cheers: !


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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Wbk » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:23 am

Bo$ko wrote:As there is just one tournament this season, there is no need for a qualification draw and the semi-final pairings have been determined by the seeding list. Rocasa Gran Canaria will meet DHK Banik Most and Kastamonu GSK will take on ZORK Jagodina.

However, on Wednesday 26 June at 11:00 hrs the organisation rights for the tournament will be drawn.

(...)

Qualification tournament (6-8 September)
Semi-finals:
Rocasa Gran Canaria (ESP) vs DHK Banik Most (CZE)
Kastamonu GSK (TUR) vs ZORK Jagodina (SRB)

Most to host the qualification turnament :P

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fb ... 2074040822
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Doru Delavale » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 pm

Wbk wrote:
Bo$ko wrote:As there is just one tournament this season, there is no need for a qualification draw and the semi-final pairings have been determined by the seeding list. Rocasa Gran Canaria will meet DHK Banik Most and Kastamonu GSK will take on ZORK Jagodina.

However, on Wednesday 26 June at 11:00 hrs the organisation rights for the tournament will be drawn.

(...)

Qualification tournament (6-8 September)
Semi-finals:
Rocasa Gran Canaria (ESP) vs DHK Banik Most (CZE)
Kastamonu GSK (TUR) vs ZORK Jagodina (SRB)

Most to host the qualification turnament :P

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fb ... 2074040822


Wbk put me on the point : Most is host.....Der Staat ist Macht !.... ;)

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby John » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:52 pm

Group Phase

Group A
1. Metz Handball
2. Vipers Kristiansand
3. Podravka Vegeta
4. FTC - Rail Cargo Hungaria

Group B
1. Rostov-Don
2. Team Esbjerg
3. MKS Perla Lublin
4. CSM Bucureşti

Group C
1. SCM Râmnicu Vâlcea
2. Budućnost
3. SG BBM Bietigheim
4. Brest Bretagne Handball

Group D
1. Győri Audi ETO KC
2. Krim Mercator
3. IK Sävehof
4. Qualifier

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby swarthofole » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:31 pm

John wrote:
Group D
1. Győri Audi ETO KC
2. Krim Mercator
3. IK Sävehof
4. Qualifier


you asked for it :)
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Domokos Pál » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:45 pm

John wrote:Group Phase

Group A
1. Metz Handball
2. Vipers Kristiansand
3. Podravka Vegeta
4. FTC - Rail Cargo Hungaria

Group B
1. Rostov-Don
2. Team Esbjerg
3. MKS Perla Lublin
4. CSM Bucureşti

Group C
1. SCM Râmnicu Vâlcea
2. Budućnost
3. SG BBM Bietigheim
4. Brest Bretagne Handball

Group D
1. Győri Audi ETO KC
2. Krim Mercator
3. IK Sävehof
4. Qualifier



Győr will start the CL season in January, again.

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Bo$ko » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:56 pm

Great fight in A-B for 1/4 places!
Esbjerg and FTC maybe a bit weaker than the rest MR teams.

Gyor again with an easy draw, don't understand how they are so lucky on draws.
Their place on F4 is already booked. :lol:
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby John » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:16 pm

swarthofole wrote:you asked for it


I knew in my heart that they will get the easiest group. It was a feeling :D

Group A is what i call a balanced group.
Group B is tough but i don't expect CSM and Rostov to lose points against Esbjerg.. (Lublin should use these games to prepare for EHF cup :lol: )
Group C is great. I'm satisfied with the draw :D

If all goes as it should go Buducnost, Gyor, Rostov and CSM should avoid each other in quarterfinals.

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby HB9 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:38 pm

I must be the only one who thinks that Gran Canaria will be the clear winner of qualifying.

^^ I'll quote this post on the 8th of September. 8:)

Or not, depending on the outcome. :roll:
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby John » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:56 pm

HB9 wrote:I must be the only one who thinks that Gran Canaria will be the clear winner of qualifying.


You're not.. I also think they are small favorites here.

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby HB9 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:12 pm

http://www.eurohandball.com/article/032978/

From 2020/21, places will be distributed as follows:

Men’s and Women’s EHF Champions League (16 teams)

• Places 1 to 9: Nations ranked 1-9 (1 place per federation)
• Place 10: From European Handball League (place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons)
• Places 11-16: Places decided by EHF Executive Committee based on new criteria catalogue (see below)


New selection criteria

The number of criteria for the evaluation of clubs will be reduced from eight categories to five categories in the catalogue. The categories are: venue, TV and digital, spectators, results in past EHF competitions and product management by club. All five categories have the same value. This is valid for both the Men’s and Women’s Champions League.


Which are the three which were dropped?
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Derp » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:48 pm

HB9 wrote:http://www.eurohandball.com/article/032978/

From 2020/21, places will be distributed as follows:

Men’s and Women’s EHF Champions League (16 teams)

• Places 1 to 9: Nations ranked 1-9 (1 place per federation)
• Place 10: From European Handball League (place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons)
• Places 11-16: Places decided by EHF Executive Committee based on new criteria catalogue (see below)


New selection criteria

The number of criteria for the evaluation of clubs will be reduced from eight categories to five categories in the catalogue. The categories are: venue, TV and digital, spectators, results in past EHF competitions and product management by club. All five categories have the same value. This is valid for both the Men’s and Women’s Champions League.


Which are the three which were dropped?


6.Bribe
7.Whether the team is German/has German players/is financed by German companies/has at least the word "germa" in the name
8.Whether leaving out that particular team would cause a too unpleasent reaction that might affect the bribe money or the German association's attitude
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby HB9 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:10 pm

Quite the comedian.
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby AB10 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:45 pm

• Place 10: From European Handball League (place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons)


Why whatever this is (a special slot for HUN2? :roll: ) instead of promoting the winner of the past season's EHF Cup to Champions League?

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Bo$ko » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:57 pm

EHF Cup winner 2020/21 will get a direct place in CL 2021/22 season...
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:37 pm

Bo$ko wrote:EHF Cup winner 2020/21 will get a direct place in CL 2021/22 season...

Sure?

But for next season? "place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons"

Past 3 seasons mean:
2017/18: SCM Craiova
2018/19: Siofok KC
2019/20: TBD

Let's say Odense will win EHF Cup 2019/20, it means Romania = Hungary = Denmark = 1 EHF Cup. Who would get the spot? :lol:
L. Hutupan-Dinu, V. Ardean-Elisei, Cristina Neagu, O. Manea, I. Stanca, M. Jovanovic, Y. Ozel, R. Maier.
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby John » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:53 pm

OltchimRmValcea wrote:But for next season? "place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons"


Hungary.

Gyor + Siofok = one additional place for Hungary

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby OltchimRmValcea » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:23 pm

AB10 wrote: (..) instead of promoting the winner of the past season's EHF Cup to Champions League?

This is exactly what EHF want and will do. But from 2021/22 season, as @Bo$ko said.

The question is about 2020/2021 season. Who is going to take this spot?

John wrote:
OltchimRmValcea wrote:But for next season? "place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons"


Hungary.

Gyor + Siofok = one additional place for Hungary


:-k :-k I don't think so, I understand something else.

Let's read again:
From 2020/21, places will be distributed as follows:
• Places 1 to 9: Nations ranked 1-9 (1 place per federation)
• Place 10: From European Handball League (place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons)


I think it has nothing to do with former CL champions.
EHL=European Handball League=actual EHF Cup.

Also, look at this:
Men’s European Handball League
- 1 team for nation from EHF Cup (place reserved for team from nation winning most EHF Cup titles over past three seasons)
L. Hutupan-Dinu, V. Ardean-Elisei, Cristina Neagu, O. Manea, I. Stanca, M. Jovanovic, Y. Ozel, R. Maier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyKvP63kFHw

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby AB10 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:06 pm

Bo$ko wrote:EHF Cup winner 2020/21 will get a direct place in CL 2021/22 season...

Yes but – and I'm sorry if it's just be me being too dense to understand the EHF's groundbreaking decisions – why not start that already with next season's winner? What's the point of "place reserved for team from nation winning most EHL titles over past three seasons" when you could just introduce a slot for the winner of the EHF Cup already from the 2020-21 season?

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Anol » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:16 pm

What will they do when the following happens, which it will at some point: the last three EHL champions come from three different countries. Who gets the spot then? :-k

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Bo$ko » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:35 pm

Maybe the country that is 1st ranked for that year...
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Graoudy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:07 am

Hello guys,

After some thinking, I think that I better understand the EHF-logic behind this year`s pot seeding and draw. Perhaps some of you will think this is obviour and/or stupid but since it wasn`t mentioned before I`ll take the chance to give an explanation.

So, first for pot seeding, it seems that the EHF knowing exactly that a full proper draw could not be organised due to the rule that clubs from same nations should not meet in the group phase has decided to make the organisation easier for them by putting clubs from nations represented twice in the competition (Hungary, Roumania, France) in two different pots (1 and 4) which explains why Valcea is in pot 1.

So basically Pot 1 is a mixed-up between last year`s final 4 participants (Györ, Rostov and Metz) and champions from nations represented by two clubs in the competition (Györ, Metz and Valcea).

For pots 2 and 3, the seeding was more based on level considerations.

As for Pot 4, it is a mixed-up between (low) level considerations (the tournament winner) and runner-up clubs from nations represented twice (CSM, FTC and Brest).

With this system clubs in pots 1, 2 and 3 could be properly drawn as you saw it.

For clubs from pot 4 instead, no draw has been made and it seems that the repartition of the clubs in the different groups was based on 3 considerations:

1) Same nation clubs should not only meet in the group phase but ALSO IN THE MAIN ROUND. Accordingly, sice Valcea and Györ were drawn in Groups C and D, CSM and FTC could only be selected in groups A and B. Same for Brest which could only be selected in groups C or D.

2) It seems that the EHF wanted to prevent top clubs who already meet last year in the quarter-final to meet again during the group phase. Accordingly FTC was selected in Group A with Metz and CSM in group B with Rostov.

3) A "bonus" (the qualification tournament winner) was awarded to the winner of last year`s CL (Györ).

So that was my thougths, what do you think about it ?

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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby swarthofole » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:53 pm

Graoudy wrote:
1) Same nation clubs should not only meet in the group phase but ALSO IN THE MAIN ROUND. Accordingly, sice Valcea and Györ were drawn in Groups C and D, CSM and FTC could only be selected in groups A and B. Same for Brest which could only be selected in groups C or D.


You overthink it. :)
They are allowed to meet in MR. And last year they did:

http://www.eurohandball.com/ec/00-01/cl ... Main+Round

Gyor vs FTC in MR.
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Re: 2019/20 EHF Champions League

Postby Graoudy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:35 pm

I agree swarthofole ame nation clubs are officially allowed to meet in the main round. I am just pretending that the EHF has made its own kitchen with pot 4 so that it does not happen this year. :D


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