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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby vlad_impaler » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:50 pm

dydiana wrote:Utterly disgusted by CSM's management. Total bulls**t.

Besides that, I am waiting to see what Djokic can do.....still I have no words for how much I dislike what keeps happening!


16th place with Montenegro at Euro, out of 16... k**f Luca and the masonic rat! Instead of releasing by paying a fee a female world coach, experiments with free agents as coaches. They should have let Thomsen to work for 2 seasons. Or not to fire Klit, or to keep Rasmussen.



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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby John » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:32 pm

Hmm, he is not known for his defensive skills. Montenegro male NT got trashed easily with him as a coach and he has no authority. The players didn't listen much to him.
But let's wait and see. Maybe this unusual (and imo not a good) decision will prove to be good. Maybe he will surprise positively. Or CSM will be looking for a new coach by the end of this weekend.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby Bo$ko » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:56 am

Great choice! Good luck! =D>
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby Bo$ko » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:57 am

John wrote:Hmm, he is not known for his defensive skills. Montenegro male NT got trashed easily with him as a coach and he has no authority. The players didn't listen much to him.
But let's wait and see. Maybe this unusual (and imo not a good) decision will prove to be good. Maybe he will surprise positively. Or CSM will be looking for a new coach by the end of this weekend.


How can you compare MNE male team with CSM team ? You easily forgot he managed to qualify for EC, even after bad start in first two matches. ;)
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby vlad_impaler » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:25 pm

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John wrote:Hmm, he is not known for his defensive skills. Montenegro male NT got trashed easily with him as a coach and he has no authority. The players didn't listen much to him.
But let's wait and see. Maybe this unusual (and imo not a good) decision will prove to be good. Maybe he will surprise positively. Or CSM will be looking for a new coach by the end of this weekend.


How can you compare MNE male team with CSM team ? You easily forgot he managed to qualify for EC, even after bad start in first two matches. ;)


Well, he could be like Sundovski. Sundovski is pretty magnificent.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby Flash » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:22 pm

Why Natalie Hagman isn’t playing any minute??
Is there any problem with the management? Her situation is so weird.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby Doru Delavale » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Flash wrote:Why Natalie Hagman isn’t playing any minute??
Is there any problem with the management? Her situation is so weird.

Something is "rotten their in Danmark"...Radicevic didn't play bad but this is not a reason to play her exclusevely....I understand that is better to have a wing who make both atack-defence phase samely well (and Radicevic is better in defence then Hagmann and Udristioiu put together) in order to encourage counteratacks and, not lose opportunity of speed....if a coach think Lekic,Neagu,Radicevic,Mehmedovic can play 26 matches LN (and not a walk in the park) + RO Cup+ CL matches 40-50 min/match he is wrong...
On the other hand last Hagmann's posting on her FB is from 03 oct...

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby swarthofole » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:13 pm

for those who wonder about this club's budget:

https://www.prosport.ro/sport-life/spec ... i-17569499

pay attention, this is the club's budget, that means all sections (from handball to volleyball etc). long story short: about 14 million euro for this year of which more than 90% from public funds :shock: . of course, handball section (women) is the main beneficiary. prosport sources claim the average salary is about 8-10k euro/ month/ player.
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby vlad_impaler » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:03 pm

It doesn't go at all against the law, actually it's a lot under the maximum percentage allowed. 14 million is 1% out of the over 1.3 billion euros (Bucharest budget).

Now I just hope the outcome will be less sick people and revitalised sport.

Since Băsescu and his governments, plus liberal governments came, we had no more Sydney 2000.

So please decide what you want! Sport or no sport.

I would personally reform the high school sport (I am for efficiency), but I am not in that position. 14 disciplines is very cool: track and field, basketball, canoeing, dance, handball, judo, moto, swimming, rugby, chess, and other sports, tennis, volley and yachting.

I don't see any problem. Moreover we need to at the moment.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby swarthofole » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:43 pm

if you are talking about percentages, if YOU think 90% of the budget being public money is ok, it doesn't mean we all do. ;)
and if YOU think it's ok to pay fees for sacking the coaches or buying players from their contracts or other s**t like this, we don't have to agree with this. ;)
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby mikh » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:00 pm

There is absolutely no empirical evidence that professional sport sponsored by the government is having any benefits in the general population. We're using this model for years in Romania and it's quite exactly the opposite. Let me walk you through the very grim reality. You can find the entire report over here and the data for the entire EU over here.

- 4th worse average life expectancy at birth in the EU, almost 6 years under the EU average;
- 2nd worse average life expectancy at age 65;
- highest death rate from acute cardio-vascular disease;
- 2nd highest death rate from cerebro-vascular disease;
- taken together, cardio-vascular and cerebro-vascular disease are the cause of more than half of deaths among Romanians, 2nd largest rate in EU and 3 times larger than the average EU rate!

- in 2015, 1/6 Romanians lived with hypertension, 1/20 lived with diabetes and 1/25 with asthma or chronic respiratory disease!
- the incidence of the respiratory conditions grows 4x for people with lower education levels;

- main determinants of various dissability conditions are musculoskeletal problems (including neck and back pain!) and poor mental health!

Main causes? Quoting from the same report: "More than 40% of the overall burden of disease in Romania in 2015 (measured in terms of DALYs) could be attributed to behavioural risk factors, including smoking and alcohol use, as well as dietary risks and low physical activity."

But yes, I guess paying public money for players coming to stay here 1-2 years to attempt to win a piece of metal is more important. Btw, do you think they give a crap when you sing "Romania! Romania!" during the F4. Or are the supporters actually cheering for the public money that made that possible? At least that would be more sincere.

So yes! We really have to make up our mind? Do we want to die young, but "proud to be Romanians" and "winners of the metal crap" or do we want to educate people on how to live a healthy and balanced life, such that we lower those numbers down and take away from the burden on the medical and social system.

Do we want to invest public money in accessible infrastructure, such that everyone can practice sports throughout their lives, or do we keep investing in sports TV for our couch and computer-sports specialists? Do we want an active healthy population (which in the long run is the basis for an organised and effective professional sport that can yield international performances) or do we want instant success and then bankruptcy? Because for now, the only things at which we excel seem to be high densities of betting houses, bank offices and pharmacies!

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby mikh » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:10 pm

Also, can't understand the references to governments and presidents. I think some people seriously don't know how the political system and the state powers (president, parliament, government, justice system) are functioning and interacting. Hence the big errors making in assigning blame. This is also a thing that we used to teach in schools before, but not anymore. Since education is not a priority, but professional sports (played by foreigners) is!

Back to sports, Sydney and other program was probably the top moment of a generation still detected and formed by coaches and in structures applying methods of the previous regime. And tying these problems to a certain political party or another being in power, does nothing else than to support my point: professional sport shouldn't be funded entirely from public money, because once a party doesn't want to prioritise it anymore, your un into this kind of issues.

Professional sports is exactly what it says... a professional business, which the government can incentivise, but surely not subsidise!
And if in the end it is subsidised, at least have the decency to be transparent about it (like it happens in so many other places!) and make all your expenses available to the public that is paying for what is in the end a fad and just another instrument of political propaganda.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:27 pm

SOME OTHERS HAVE MORE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE CANCER

mikh wrote:- in 2015, 1/6 Romanians lived with hypertension, 1/20 lived with diabetes


That's worldwide problem, mainly because of the unhealthy food and obesity. Moreover obesity in Romania is still much lower.

mikh wrote:- 2nd highest death rate from cerebro-vascular disease;


Most of them die from cerebro-vascular because of the cardio problems. Bucharest City Hall also promotes education through cardio program and not only. Newer generations go to the doctor more often.

mikh wrote:
- 2nd worse average life expectancy at age 65;


mikh wrote:
- 2nd worse average life expectancy at age 65;


Life expectancy 75, same as the Baltic countries and Hungary. But this thing will change with the new generations. In Germany it's 80, but we could never compare us with Mediterranean countries.

mikh wrote:There is absolutely no empirical evidence that professional sport sponsored by the government is having any benefits in the general population. We're using this model for years in Romania and it's quite exactly the opposite.


[-X At not a large scale. Plus the scale after communism decreased and decreased. Please evaluate those that did sport, not some grandma in the agricultural land.

mikh wrote:Because for now, the only things at which we excel seem to be high densities of betting houses, bank offices and pharmacies!


They try to change that. :D Why are you so repulsive to a new program that has been never applied after 1990?

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby vlad_impaler » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:28 pm

Mikh, do you enjoy brining up such discussions on a handball forum alongside your friend, or what?

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby mikh » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:40 pm

Ah, sorry, I was too subtle. What I meant with all my "boring numbers" was to say: I prefer that public money is spent on promoting public health, through sport and education. Yeah, I'm a special kind of anarchist - as I have been recently called in a private message :D - one who cares about people!

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby dydiana » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:21 pm

Oh gosh, not again! Im so tired of this. I thought I came to a handball forum, on a handball topic about a handball team. It seems its about nutrition, health and economy.

CSM BUCUREŞTI 36 (17)

Cristina Neagu 11
Jovanka Radicevic 6
Iulia Curea 4
Elizabeth Omoregie 4
Majda Mehmedovic 3
Andrea Lekic 2
Barbara Lazovic 2
Dragana Cvijic 2
Aneta Udriştioiu 1
Nathalie Hagman 1

Măgura Cisnădie 19 (10)

Roxana Gatzel 10
Jasna Boljevic 4
Larissa Araujo 2
Oana Apetrei 1
Deonise Fachinello 1
Larissa Da Silva 1

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby mikh » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:07 pm

dydiana wrote:Oh gosh, not again! Im so tired of this. I thought I came to a handball forum, on a handball topic about a handball team. It seems its about nutrition, health and economy.


Well, professional sports is also about nutrition, health and economy :) I genuinely don't see a problem about such a discussion. It's uncomfortable, sure, but it's the way our pro sport is conducted today. Or we're ok with it, but ashamed to talk about it?
Also, if the municipality says that they will halt the financing starting tomorrow, is it ok to talk about it or not?
And in the end, if other clubs have no problem putting their numbers out there, why shouldn't a CLUB that lives almost exclusively of public money do it? Like I said, a matter of basic respect.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby swarthofole » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:52 pm

Questioning the way the "managers" are "doing" sport (or handball) is not for this forum, mikh. I think you'll just have to get used to this... :D
Let's talk about the cell phones' lights at the presentation game instead... :lol:
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby dydiana » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:15 pm

mikh wrote:I genuinely don't see a problem about such a discussion. It's uncomfortable, sure, but it's the way our pro sport is conducted today. Or we're ok with it, but ashamed to talk about it?
Also, if the municipality says that they will halt the financing starting tomorrow, is it ok to talk about it or not?
And in the end, if other clubs have no problem putting their numbers out there, why shouldn't a CLUB that lives almost exclusively of public money do it? Like I said, a matter of basic respect.


Well, its not a problem, but Im entitled to have an opinion about the topic, and I said I personally am tired of it. Thats it. Besides, I totally agree that the club should be transparent regarding the way they use public money. But what prosport is saying is nothing official, its just a CLEAR attack towards Firea and the ruling party. Which is absolutely trash to aim now and then only at CSM. At least this club gives kids the chance to practice a sport.

Swarthofole just likes (and tries) to be ironic like a little kid every time he gets the chance. Also a fact I got tired of but cant do anything about it, just to cut even more the visits I pay to this forum.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby swarthofole » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:34 pm

dydiana wrote:Well, its not a problem, but Im entitled to have an opinion about the topic, and I said I personally am tired of it. Thats it. Besides, I totally agree that the club should be transparent regarding the way they use public money. But what prosport is saying is nothing official, its just a CLEAR attack towards Firea and the ruling party. Which is absolutely trash to aim now and then only at CSM. At least this club gives kids the chance to practice a sport.

well, then they just have to make those numbers public and it's the only way to prove they are spending well the public money. it's just as simple as that. and by the way, this is also my right as a contributor, isn't it? unless I am on their payroll and I don't need to see those numbers. :lol:
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby mikh » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:51 pm

dydiana wrote: but Im entitled to have an opinion about the topic, and I said I personally am tired of it. Thats it. Besides, I totally agree that the club should be transparent regarding the way they use public money.

Being tired is not really an opinion. The fact that you agree with transparency is the opinion and I am glad we agree on that point.

dydiana wrote:But what prosport is saying is nothing official, its just a CLEAR attack towards Firea and the ruling party. Which is absolutely trash to aim now and then only at CSM. At least this club gives kids the chance to practice a sport.

If they would just release the numbers, then nobody would have to find them out "from sources". This is what's really defying common sense. I didn't really see it as an attack against the ruling party. CSMB also had very positive articles in our media. Also, I'm not the one who defends our media. Btw, I feel the same about all publicly funded clubs.

dydiana wrote:Swarthofole just likes (and tries) to be ironic like a little kid every time he gets the chance. Also a fact I got tired of but cant do anything about it, just to cut even more the visits I pay to this forum.

What can I tell you about that? Irony is connected to humour and I can accept that someone's humour is not everyone's cup of tea. But I prefer irony to intolerance and personal attacks any time of the day.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby Doru Delavale » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:27 pm

Linnea Torstensson and Carmen Martin back in Bucharest for a courtesy( :?: ) visit... "Handball from here and players from this team <CSM > all missed me" said Carmen Martin
https://www.telekomsport.ro/nu-le-au-ui ... a-18620002

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby swarthofole » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:44 am

Djukic yelling at Cvijic. It was an interesting TO, big problems in CSM.

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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby swarthofole » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:39 am

interesting statement comes from Luca (team's "manager").
as far as I understand and of course I'm speculating a bit, there could be some issues between players (which was a bit obvious for the rest of us, but never mentioned by some insider).

https://www.prosport.ro/alte-sporturi/h ... i-17626542
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Re: About the CSM Bucharest project

Postby Doru Delavale » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:15 pm

swarthofole wrote:interesting statement comes from Luca (team's "manager").
as far as I understand and of course I'm speculating a bit, there could be some issues between players (which was a bit obvious for the rest of us, but never mentioned by some insider).

https://www.prosport.ro/alte-sporturi/h ... i-17626542


I wonder if this alibi-playing by Luca will save him once again,.....I saw this dad-cat - throwing many times from this kind of "Hopa-Mitica".


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